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Supreme Court of New South Wales |
Last Updated: 12 April 2011
1. Whether Mr Zagato on behalf of San Marco advised Mr Vala that the sixth months' interest only would not be adequate for a start up of San Marco's operations and that San Marco would require at least two years interest only failing which the business of San Marco would fail.
2. Whether Mr Vala represented that once San Marco commenced trading the plaintiff would agree to vary the terms and conditions of the business loan such that it would be on an interest only basis for at least two years if San Marco so requested.
Background
"35 In further answer to the claim as a whole, the defendants say as follows:
(a) prior to San Marco entering into the Business Loan, Commercial Hire Purchase and Loan Agreement, the plaintiff proposed to provide the Business Loan to San Marco on the basis that the first six months of the term of the loan would be interest only;
(b) [Mr Zagato] on behalf of San Marco advised Mr Vala of the plaintiff (or the plaintiff's agent) that six months' interest only would not be adequate for a start up operation such as San Marco and that San Marco would require at least two years' interest only failing which the business of San Marco would fail;
(c) [Mr Zagato] on behalf of San Marco advised Mr Vala that San Marco would not be able to pay capital and interest six months into the Business Loan/Loan Agreement;
(d) Mr Vala said that once San Marco commences trading, the plaintiff would agree to vary the terms and conditions of the Business Loan/Loan Agreement such that it would be on an interest only basis for at least two years (and possibly up to three years) if San Marco so requested ("the oral representations");
(e) on the basis of the matters set out in paragraphs 35(a)-(d) above San Marco and the defendants agreed to enter into the Business Loan, Commercial Hire Purchase, Loan Agreement and Guarantees."
"8. On our [ sic ] about July 2005, I met with Peter Vala, Toby Farinha and Miguel Farinha. I recall the words of the conversation being to the effect as follows:
Zagato: 'Peter, thank you for the letter of offer for finance for the pub. We have noticed that the interest only component is for only 6 months.'
Vala: 'Yes, at this point that is what the credit committee will agree to.'
Zagato: 'Peter, it will take at least 2 years to ramp up the turnover of the pub to a stable profitable position. We need at least 2 years of interest only.'
Vala: 'Agree to this now and we can always get the interest only extended later once the pub has commenced trading.'
Zagato: 'OK, sounds good.'
Toby Farinha: 'Yes.'
Miguel Farinha: 'Yes.' ...
9. On or about February 2006, I met with Peter Vala, Toby Farinha and Miguel Farinha. I recall the words of the conversation being to the effect as follows:
Zagato: 'Peter, the pub has been trading since September last year and the interest only will expire sometime in March. We need to get the interest only on the loan extended as the capital repayment will be around $30,000 per month. For a Greenfield [ sic ] pub it would be disastrous to start paying capital now.
Peter, as you are also aware, the tower at World Square which houses Ernst and Young is not fully tenanted and therefore we are not operating at optimum capacity.
The tower in the South West corner which is due for construction obviously is not tenanted and is only due to be tenanted in at least 8 months time.'
Vala: 'I will speak to credit.'
Toby Farinha: 'Thank you.'"
"37. In about January 2007 [Mr Zagato] on behalf of San Marco had a conversation with Mr Vala in which San Marco requested the terms of the Business Loan/Loan Agreement be varied such that it was interest only for at least two years.
38. The plaintiff in breach of the oral terms declined to vary the terms of the Business Loan/Loan Agreement."
"12. On or about December 2006 I met John Harris, Peter Vala, Toby Farinha, Miguel Farinha. I recall the words of the conversation being to the effect as follows:
Zagato: 'Peter, we are trading reasonably well considering that the Ernst and Young tower is far from been [ sic ] fully tenanted. It will take San Marco at least 2 years to break even. We are concerned that once the December rush passes that our cash flow will dry up. We need the interest only period to commence immediately.
Also, Peter we need to re-structure the facility to pay out the second mortgagee RAB Finance.'
Vala: 'I will put this forward to our credit committee. Also what is happening with the sale of Moda restaurant in the Westfield's Bondi Junction?'
Toby Farinha: 'We are in the middle of a sale and we should have confirmation soon.'
Zagato: 'Peter, we need an answer pretty soon on the facility.'
Vala: 'I will get onto it straight away.'
Toby Farinha: 'Thanks.'
Zagato: 'Thanks'"
"Thank you for your time last week. It was great to see that the Hotel is starting to trade well.
As promised, a discussion paper was placed forward to the Bank to see whether any further financial assistance could be offered to San Marco World Square.
Unfortunately at this point of time, and half expected, the response was negative. Prior to the bank considering any further advance or a restructure of existing facilities the following documentation must be to hand...
When this is to hand and serviceability can be clearly demonstrated with all covenants being met, the Bank would welcome an application to further assess a request for restructure/refinance. Any request would also be subject to revaluation of the Hotel under the instruction from the Bank at the borrowers cost.
Please pass on our regards and thanks to Toby for last Thursday and we wish you all the best for the coming year.
Please do not hesitate to contact me as soon as the above information is to hand."
"16. On or about July 2007 I met with Peter Vala and Toby Farinha. I recall the words of the conversation being to the effect as follows:
Zagato: 'Peter, the extension of the interest only as agreed previously has not been fully appreciated by your credit committee. If the interest only for two years was put in place as agreed we would not have currently any arrears, the facility would be up to date, we would have funds in the company.'
Vala: 'Marco, I understand and will go back to credit committee.'
Toby Farinha: 'It is critical for us at this point, do your best for us.'
Vala: 'Will get onto it straight away.'
Zagato: 'Thanks.'"
The documents
"Loan for $5M may continue on an interest only basis, with interest to be met by borrowers, until 31/12/2005 or upon such time as the hotel lease comes into full effect and the hotel commences trading, whichever occurs first.
Following commencement of the lease, the loan term of 10 years will commence, with first six months to be an on an interest only basis, with amortisation commencing after this period, i.e. loan then to be amortised over a term of 9 years 6 months."
"Three (3) years from drawdown with a nil residual/balloon.
Note: Depending on the asset being financed being suitable to the Lender, a longer repayment term may be agreed to ."
"On the expiry of the term of the loans all principal, interest and any other money owing under the loan must be fully repaid by the Borrower."
Correspondence and file notes
"Business Banking recently issued a letter of offer for the above borrowers as per our CAM dated 13.4.2005. In essence the borrowers wish to proceed with our offer, however seek minor changes to [ sic ] prior to formal acceptance and payments of fees.
The most recent CAM approved the following funding
$5,000,000 10 year P&I loan (stage 1)
$800,000 3 year P&I lease facility (stage 2)
$575,000 10 year P&I loan or [ sic ] remaining term of leasehold interest at the time of draw down (stage 3)
Amendments sought
1. $5,000,000 10 year P&I facility to change to 6 months interest only + 9.5 years P&I
2. ...
Due to the Multiplex guarantee/buy back arrangement as at December 2005, and the trading up period of the new venture, the borrowers continue to seek the $5,000,000 facility to amortise over a 10 year term, however request the first 6 months of the facility or up to end December 2005 which ever occurs first, to be interest only monthly inarrears [ sic ]..."
"The bank will not release funds until a certification from our solicitors is held confirming all security is complete... However, given the borrowers would not [have] commenced trading, the lease would also not have commenced. As such the borrowers seeks to retain the $5m facility interest only until 31.12.2005...and commence the actual loan term from the date of commencement of lease.
Upon the commencement of the lease the borrowers seek the loan term to be for a period of 10 years (as per the lease) with the first 6 months interest only for a trading up period as per CFM dated 13.4.2005.
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Comments
1. ...
5. Loan for $5M may continue on an interest only basis, with interest to be met by borrowers, until 31/12/2005 or upon such time as the hotel lease comes into full effect and the hotel commences trading, whichever occurs first. Following commencement of the lease, the loan term of 10 years will commence, with first six months to be on an interest only basis, with amortisation commencing after this period, i.e. loan to be amortised over a term of 9 years 6 months...".
"Further to our most recent meeting 11.7.2005, I wish to confirm the outcome of the points raised
At this point of time the Bank will not alter from its approval letter dated the 12 th May 2005 and will adhere to the release of construction loan funds on a cost to complete basis. No funding will be provided beyond the approved $5m for construction.
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The Bank has agreed to provide the $5,000,000 loan facility as an interest only facility until 31.12.2005, or until such time as your lease commences, which ever occurs first. Upon the commencement of the lease, the approved loan term of 10 tears will commence, comprising 6 months interest only period to allow for trading up period, then reverting to a fully amortising loan of 9 years 6 months...
A variation letter will be prepared noting the appropriate changes and will be forwarded to you in due course."
"We refer to your recent application for finance and advise that on behalf of Industry Funds Management (Nominees 2) Pty Ltd ("Lender"), we are pleased to offer, subject to the conditions precedent set out below, a loan on the following terms and conditions:
Please note the following are variations to our original Letter of Offer dated 12 th May 2005
4. Term Business Loan (Number 1)
Loan for $5M may continue on an interest only basis, with interest to be met by borrowers, until 31/12/2005 or upon such time as the hotel lease comes into full effect and the hotel commences trading, whichever occurs first.
Following commencement of the lease, the loan term of 10 years will commence, with first six months to be on an interest only basis, with amortisation commencing after this period, i.e. loan then to be amortised over a term of 9 years 6 months."
"The borrowers were seeking a restructure to interest only. However we would prefer to retain a P&I structure over an extended term of say 15 years in total. However Credit policy requires loan terms to be amortised over the 1 st option period, and as such the request to P&I over 15 years would not adhere to policy."
"It is also envisaged that our client will obtain a revaluation of the business as a going concern in April 2006 on the basis of increasing its borrowings and initially extending the interest only period under such loan. To this extent our client will be discussing with you the ability of Members Equity to enter into such new arrangement."
" Current arrears (2 payments on loan account and lease facilities)
A meeting has been held with the borrowers to discuss current arrears situation and date of clearance of arrears. Borrowers advise the aggressive amortisation of the facility is placing a substantial strain on current cash-flows which in turn has caused current arrears.
The borrowers have indicated that these arrears (both payments) will be cleared by the 18 th of June 2007."
"Borrowers requested a meeting and tabled the following
1. The borrowers wish to immediately renegotiate the facility and seek a further advance of $500,000 to clear all arrears with Members Equity and separate creditors...
This $500,000 was to catch up current arrears with the Bank...
2. The borrowers wish to renegotiate the facility of a longer period and increase to 60% of valuation of $11m.
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The Bank further advised that it would not entertain a further increase of $500,000.
The Bank clearly explained its current position and that the arrears of the facility was to be rectified.
If and when this [ sic ] arrears would be cleared the Bank may consider an interest only period prior to further action, provided
* Arrears was [ sic ] cleared in full..."
"Received a phone call from James Panagopoulos in regards to the borrowers ability to clear arrears and time frame.
Initially borrowers ought [ sic ] to make interest only payments and suspend Principle [ sic ] Payments as they are unable to raise funds to clear arrears in one lump sum.
However Mr James Panagopoulos advised the Hotel has the ability to make $30,000 in payments every week from trading cashflow.
It was suggested that I put to the Bank that the borrowers maintain $30,000 pw as a repayment schedule to catch up arrears."
"As you are aware the borrower is in default of the terms of the above facilities made available by Industry Funds Management (Nominees 2) Pty Ltd, by failing to make repayments when due.
As a gesture of goodwill, the lender may be prepared to refrain from exercising its rights under its facilities and securities for the time being provided the borrower:
1. Maintain repayments of $30,000 per week commencing 30 th July 2007, which is to be maintained until all loan account and CHP account arrears are cleared.
2, Provided San Marco World Square Pty Limited maintain this repayment program, the Bank will provide an abatement of the principal portion of the current Business Loan repayment for a period of 30 days. (August's payment).
3. Provided San Marco World Square Pty Ltd maintain the proposed repayment, the Bank reserves all its rights to either consider a restructure of the Business Loan to interest only for a period of time which is yet to be determined and or, may recommence full recovery action of the facilities...
...Should you have any concerns about the contents of this letter we recommend you seek independent legal advice."
Mr Vala's evidence
"12. I recall that at the July 2005 meeting San Marco sought an extension to the interest only period to that of a full 6 months from the date of commencement of the lease.
13. I do not recall the precise conversations at the July 2005 meeting.
14. To the best of my recollection I did not say the following alleged words (or words to their effect): 'Agree to this now and we can always get the interest only extended later once the pub has commenced trading.' To say something like this would be totally against my standard business practice...
15. I cannot otherwise recall any commitment given to alter or provide an extended interest only period to the attendees at the July 2005 meeting beyond what was documented."
"17. I recall the meeting in early February 2006... However, I recall the meeting was with Zagato, Farinha and Steingold. My colleague John Harris was also in attendance.
18. During the February 2006 meeting, San Marco sought to alter their finance arrangements with ME.
19. I do not recall the precise conversations at the February 2006 meeting.
20. Rather than keeping a file note of this meeting, I asked for a letter in writing [ sic ] confirming the changes sought by San Marco.
21. The letter which is annexure "C" to Zagato's affidavit from Steingold dated 21 February 2006 is such a letter...
22. From reviewing the February 2006 letter, I recall that San Marco sought ME's consent for San Marco to obtain a short term facility from BNZA Bank to be secured by the second ranking mortgage over the Lease.
23. Further, San Marco was going to obtain a valuation in April 2006 and was going to then enter into discussions with ME about a possibility of increasing the borrowings and interest only arrangements."
"25. I recall a meeting in late November/early December 2006...
26. I do not recall the precise conversations at the November 2006 meeting but I recall that San Marco sought a restructure of the facilities, including a restructure of payments to interest only.
27. ME did not support the restructure and this was conveyed to San Marco in my email of 5 December 2006...".
"33. I recall the meeting in July 2007... Exhibited hereto... is a file note of the July 2007 meeting.
34. From my review of the file note of the July 2007 Meeting:
(a) the meeting was requested by San Marco;
(b) the meeting was attended by myself and Fryer of ME and Zagato, Farinha and Jim Panagopoulos... of San Marco;
(c) San Marco was in arrears and further funding was sought from ME;
(d) ME may consider an interest only period prior to further action (reserving its rights) provided arrears were cleared in full;
(e) it was agreed that Panagopoulos would contact ME within 24 hours to advise how and when arrears will be cleared.
35. On or about 25 July 2007, I had a phone call from Panagopoulos regarding the proposal to repay the arrears.
36. Exhibited hereto...is my file note of the telephone conversation. From my review of the file note:
(a) Panagopoulos informed me that San Marco has the ability to make $30,000 per week repayments from trading cash flow;
(b) Panagopoulos suggested that I put to ME that San Marco maintain $30,000 per week as repayment schedule to catch up on the arrears.
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39. I do not recall the precise conversations of the July 2007 meeting.
40. To the best of my recollection and from my review of the file note of the July 2007 Meeting:
(a) I did not make statements to the effect alleged in paragraph 16 of Zagato's Affidavit;
(b) I make no comments and/or commitments in relation to the interest only period other than as documented in my file note of the July 2007 Meeting."
Cross-examination of Mr Vala
"Q. Now, I put it to you that ... the way Mr Zagato first asked for the interest only for two to three years you said to him: 'I'll get my Credit Committee to have a look at that, that shouldn't be a problem'?
A. No, I don't believe that would have happened because to have a leasehold asset which is depreciating in value over a period of 10 years if the maximum we can fund is 50 per cent, the loan must amortise from effectively day one if you are fully drawn to 50 per cent lending you can get, so in a year's time the value of the hotel would have diminished slightly, the loan would need to amortise slightly as well to maintain a ratio of 50 per cent.
Q. But you knew at all times that you were not the decision maker and that the Credit Risk Committee was the decision maker?
A. True.
Q. So it is quite conceivable, isn't it, that you could have said something like that --
A. No.
Q. - 'I'll get the Credit Committee to have a look at that'?
A. No, because it's so basic in lending you wouldn't put that up to the bank; you would maintain your LVR to your maximum.
Q. I put it to you that you put that up to Mr Zagato as a possibility?
A. No.
Q. No?
A. No.
Q. Are you sure of that?
A. Yeah, I wouldn't do that."
"Q. You don't think you would have said: 'I'll get my Credit Committee to have a look at that, that shouldn't be a problem' at the first meeting?
A. It shouldn't be a problem?
Q. Yes. You don't think you said that?
A. I don't think I said that. That's way outside the bank's policy if that was the case..."
"A. In May 2005 we had a meeting in regards to they had raised I think additional funding and I believe there may have been an issue that there was a restrictive covenant in that third letter of offer and second letter of offer being like a negative pledge and no further borrowings and the point was raised that additional borrowings had been raised externally. That was one of the points we discussed. I can't honestly recall if he did ask for another interest only period and at that time we also had the discussion of I think Colin Steingold was looking to remove himself from the transaction."
"A. San Marco, sorry, yes, sought to amend the guarantee document as well or offer of guarantee instead of cash so they were the sorts of things. They also sought to extend, I think the previous offer letter had an interest only period in there but it was only to expire as at December 2006 [ sic , 2005] and the concern was of San Marco that if commencement of the hotel didn't start until November they would effectively only have one and a half months' interest only so they sought an extension of that for a further six months or six months--
Q. I just want to stop you there. So you remember them being concerned about the shortness of the interest only period?
A. Yes.
Q. And I put it to you that Mr Zagato said: 'Peter, it'll take at least two years to ramp up the turnover to a stable profitable position, we need at least two years of interest only', at that meeting?
A. I can't recall if he said that. I'm sorry, that's the honest answer."
"Q. I put it to you that you said in response to that conversations you have just said a moment ago that honestly you couldn't remember: 'Agree to this now and we can always get the interest only extended later once the pub's commenced trading'?
A. I doubt very much I would have made such a statement.
Q. But you can't remember the conversation?
A. Sorry, I can't say yes or no to that but I can say I doubt very much I would have said that.
Q. And you didn't make any notes of that meeting?
A. The notes of that meeting would be the actual file note that I sent a copy of to the clients."
Cross-examination of Mr Zagato
"Q. And you appreciated, didn't you, that what Members Equity was offering by this Letter of Offer of 12 May 2005 was interest only for the first six months or until 31 December 2005 whichever was the earlier, then principal and interest over the remaining term of up to nine years six months, correct?
A. When we signed this offer we were still in discussions with Members Equity. It was by no means the final discussion. There was a lot of issues that we were still discussing.
Q. Mr Zagato?
A. Yes.
Q. You signed the acceptance of the Letter of Offer?
A. Correct.
Q. Knowing that San Marco was committing to Members Equity, that it was accepting the terms of this letter of 12 May 2005; you agree, don't you?
A. I agree to that, yes.
Q. And you agree to point 4, p 2, of the Letter of Offer 12 May 2005; you agree, don't you?
A. Yes.
Q. And as at the date of you signing this Letter of Offer you were committing San Marco to interest only for the first six months or until 31 December 2005, whichever was the earlier then principal and interest over the remaining term to nine years six months, correct?
A. At that point.
Q. That's correct, isn't it?
A. Yes."
"Q. The time that you would have read this letter from Members Equity of 12 July 2005 back in July 2005 you would have appreciated, wouldn't you, that as at 12 July 2005 Members Equity's position was that it would not alter from its approval letter dated 12 May 2005, correct?
A. No, I was not under that impression because in meetings that I had with Mr Vala he indicated otherwise to me.
Q. And are these meetings which you haven't referred to in your affidavit, is that correct?
A. Yes, that's correct.
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Q. By having drawn your attention to the third bullet point on p 2 of this letter on 12 July 2005, you agree, don't you, that the likelihood is that you understood Members Equity's position to be as at 12 July 2005 that set out at the third bullet point original p 2 with respect to any interest only period, correct?
A. No, because I - look, I don't understand the question. I'd never sighted this letter. A lot of correspondence going to our solicitor Colin Steingold who is a former Director so some of the correspondence may not have come to me."
"Q. And before you signed your name and you put the date on page 3 of the acceptance of Letter of Offer you read the letter, didn't you, from Members Equity dated 14 July 2005?
A. Yes, I did read that.
Q. And you understood it, didn't you, upon reading it before you signed it?
A. I did understand it, yes."
"Q. The date that you signed the acceptance of Letter of Offer, page 3, of the Members Equity letter dated 14 July 2005 you understood, didn't you, that the only terms upon which Members Equity was prepared to offer finance to San Marco were those set out in the letters from Members Equity dated 12 May 2005 and 14 July 2005, correct?
A. No, those weren't the only terms. I understand by what Peter Vala had said to us that he would extend the interest only period once we started trading.
HIS HONOUR
Q. Did it strike you as odd that the letter of 14 July didn't pick up what you say was discussed in the conversation with Mr Vala?
A. The letter of 14th of July?
Q. Yes.
A. I'm not exactly sure of the - of the 14th of July, so the letter we are dealing with now. He kept - Mr Vala kept saying to us that that was the best way of getting the process moving and that we would deal with extending the interest only period once the pub started trading itself and so he could fast track the whole - the whole deal through his credit effectively, that was the effect."
"Q. The truth is, isn't it, Mr Zagato, that what you assert Mr Vala said at the meeting of July 2005 didn't happen, did it?
A. It did happen.
Q. And the truth is isn't it, Mr Zagato, the evidence you have given as set out in para 8 of your affidavit is a reconstruction, isn't it, influenced by the fact of serious consequences for you if you fail in defending these proceedings, correct?
A. That's not correct. The - if we didn't get that interest only period for two years I don't [ sic ] believe the pub really didn't have a chance which is testament to what happened. It was almost suicide not having an interest only period at that length.
Q. Mr Zagato, as at 21 July 2005 you knew that there was no interest only period for two years, didn't you?
A. No, I assert that Peter Vala had said to us that he would extend the period of our interest once we started trading."
"Q. Mr Zagato as at 21 July 2005 you knew that the position taken by Members Equity was as set out in their letters of 12 May and 14 July 2005 and that those letters said nothing about there being any interest only period for two years; that's correct, isn't it?
A. In the document itself, yes, that's correct.
Q. And you knew, didn't you, from meetings you had attended with Mr Vala that whatever was discussed at a meeting he would then have to make and put a proposal to the credit people above him, correct?
A. That's correct.
Q. And you knew that the credit team above Mr Vala, they were the people who were responsible for making any decision about any terms of finance being made available to San Marco, correct?
A. That's correct.
Q. And you knew that the letters of 12 May and 14 July 2005 came from Members Equity following decisions taken by the credit team, didn't you?
A. Mr Vala was quite - was confident that he would have no problem in getting us a two year interest only facility once we started trading through his credit.
Q. You knew before the letters of 12 May and 14 July 2005 were sent to San Marco by Members Equity that decisions had been taken by the credit team and that they had authority which Mr Vala didn't have in respect of the terms of finance which could be proposed or offered to San Marco, correct?
A. They - they had the powers. Yes, I do agree with that."
"Q. And you knew, didn't you, that anything said by Mr Vala at any meeting had to be treated with caution because it could be overridden by the credit team, correct?
A. There was - not the way Peter Vala put it to us, he was quite confident that he would get it through his credit and it was critical that he did for us."
"Q. Mr Vala had represented to you that, what he recommended to the credit team would be approved, if he told you that in a meeting of July 2005, you knew that then, as at 21 July 2005, didn't you?
A. Yes, that - at the time he said that the way to get the - structure the finance was to get this approval done in this form, okay, with the six-month interest only and then, once the pub started trading, he would then go back to credit and he would be able to get us a two-year interest only facility. That was his level of confidence to us.
Q. So, are you saying, therefore, that, at the meeting that you attended with Mr Vala in July 2005, he made it quite clear to you that the recommendation he would be making to the credit committee at that time is that any interest-only period would be only until 31 December 2005 or until such time as the hotel lease came into effect or the hotel commenced trading, whatever occurred first?
A. That was part of what he said, yes.
Q. You clearly understood that, as at 21 July 2005?
A. Yes, I understood that.
Q. You knew that, with respect to any future application to be made to credit by Mr Vala, ultimately, the decision which would be taken would not be made by Mr Vala, but would be made by the credit team, correct?
A. Yes, that's correct.
Q. And you knew, didn't you, by 31 July 2005, that, whatever Mr Vala had said to you, would make no difference at all to the position of San Marco if the credit team took a different position to that of Mr Vala, correct?
A. Not - not with what he was telling us at the time, no."
"Q. You knew though, didn't you, that, as at 21 July 2005, the plaintiff had not agreed to an interest-only period for two years, correct?
A. That the plaintiff, being--
Q. Industry Funds Management.
A. They had not agreed to it, no, but in conjunction with what Peter Vala had said, I went ahead and signed the guarantee.
Q. But you knew that they hadn't agreed to two years interest only at the time that you signed the deed of guarantee and the loan agreement, correct?
A. When I signed this, it wasn't in the documents, that's correct.
Q. At no time thereafter did you ever make any application, did you, in writing to vary the terms of the loan agreement or the deed of guarantee and indemnity?
A. We did, we had quite a few conversations with Peter Vala.
Q. Did you do it in writing, Mr Zagato?
A. Not that I recall."
"Q. As at 21 February 2006, you knew that Members Equity's position was that they would not agree to an interest-only period for two years, correct?
A. At that point, yes, we're aware of that then.
Q. And you knew, before 21 February 2006, that Mr Vala wasn't prepared to make any recommendation to credit for an interest-only period of two years?
A. Oh, well, at that point he was becoming quite difficult to deal with, yes, that's correct."
Plaintiff's submissions
Mr Zagato's submissions
Consideration
"[362] Where a party seeks to rely upon spoken words as a foundation for a cause of action, including a cause of action based on a contract, the conversation must be proved to the reasonable satisfaction of the Court which means that the Court must feel an actual persuasion of its occurrence or its existence. Moreover, in the case of contract, the Court must be persuaded that any consensus reached was capable of forming a binding contract and was intended by the parties to be legally binding. In the absence of some reliable contemporaneous record or other satisfactory corroboration, a party may face serious difficulties of proof. Such reasonable satisfaction is not a state of mind that is obtained or established independently of the nature and consequences of the fact or facts to be proved. The seriousness of an allegation made, inherent unlikelihood of an occurrence of a given description, or the gravity of the consequences flowing from a particular finding are considerations which must affect the answer to the question of whether the issue has been proved to the reasonable satisfaction of the Court. Reasonable satisfaction should not be produced by inexact proofs, indefinite testimony, or indirect inferences: see Briginshaw v Briginshaw [1938] HCA 34; (1938) 60 CLR 336 at 362; Helton v Allen [1940] HCA 20; (1940) 63 CLR 691 at 712; Rejfek v McElroy [1965] HCA 46; (1965) 112 CLR 517 at 521; Watson v Foxman (2000) 49 NSWLR 315 at 319."
"Where the conduct is the speaking of words in the course of a conversation, it is necessary that the words spoken be proved with a degree of precision sufficient to enable the court to be reasonably satisfied that they were in fact misleading in the proved circumstances. In many cases (but not all) the question whether spoken words were misleading may depend upon what, if examined at the time, may have been seen to be relatively subtle nuances flowing from the use of one word, phrase or grammatical construction rather than another, or the presence or absence of some qualifying word or phrase, or condition. Furthermore, human memory of what was said in a conversation is fallible for a variety of reasons, and ordinarily the degree of fallibility increases with the passage of time, particularly where disputes or litigation intervene, and the processes of memory are overlaid, often subconsciously, by perceptions or self-interest as well as conscious consideration of what should have been said or could have been said. All too often what is actually remembered is little more than an impression from which plausible details are then, again often subconsciously, constructed. All this is a matter of ordinary human experience.
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What I have said above... is equally applicable, mutatis mutandis, to the causes of action based on contract and on equitable estoppel... with the added requirements, in the case of contract that any consensus reached was capable of forming a binding contract and was intended by the parties to be legally binding... ".
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