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Last Updated: 23 April 2010
NEW SOUTH WALES INDUSTRIAL RELATIONS COMMISSION
CITATION :
Siavash
Khorramdel and Sydney South West Area Health Service [2010] NSWIRComm
1018
FILE NUMBER(S):
IRC 1801
HEARING DATE(S):
10
and 17 March 2010
DATE OF JUDGMENT:
16 April 2010
PARTIES:
APPLICANT
Siavash Khorramdel
RESPONDENT
Sydney South West Area
Health Service
CORAM:
Bishop C
CATCHWORDS: Unfair
dismissal - out of time application - filed 256 days after termination and after
relese from gaol - terminated
due to 18 months gaol sentence - alleged employer
denied leave causing unavailability for work - union representation re leave and
resignation - rejected by employer - union declined to take legal action -
applicant alleged agreement re resignation reason for
delay - alleged
representative error.
HELD - no representative error - applicant seeking
leave then resignation - applicant had not made out sufficient reason to
exercise
discretion and grant extension - limited chance of success due to
frustration of the contract - application dismissed.
LEGAL
REPRESENTATIVES
APPLICANT
Mr S Khorramdel
RESPONDENT
Mr N
Rudd,
Sydney South West Area Health Service
CASES CITED:
Brisbane
South Regional Health Authority v Taylor [1996] HCA 25; (1996) 186 CLR 541
Director-General
of Education and Training v Bond [2008] NSWIRComm 40
Green v Yum! Restaurant
Pty Ltd [2004] NSWIRComm 1109
Hare v Murphy Brothers Limited [1973] 3 All
E.R. 940
Hilton Hotels of Australia Limited v Pasovska [2003] NSWIRComm
17
Hurrell v Queensland Cotton Corporation Limited [2003] NSWIRComm
139
John Ninness and ors v Miller Bulk Haulage Farming Co Pty Ltd (now Miller
Farming Co Pty Ltd) [2008] NSWIRComm 183
Marcus Lewandowski v NSW Police
Force [2009] NSWIRComm 132
Moore v Metropolitan Local Aboriginal Land Council
[2005] NSWIRComm 325
Syed Rizvi v South Eastern Sydney and Illawarra Area
Health Service [2009] NSWIRComm 1084
Stephen Wendt v Peace Birk and ors
[2004] NSWIRComm 275
LEGISLATION CITED:
Industrial Relations Act
1996
TEXTS CITED:
JUDGMENT:
- 56 -
INDUSTRIAL RELATIONS COMMISSION OF NEW SOUTH WALES
CORAM: BISHOP C
16 April 2010
Matter No IRC 1801 of 2009
Siavash Khorramdel and
Sydney South West Area Health Service
Application by Siavash
Khorramdel re unfair dismissal pursuant to section 84 of the Industrial
Relations Act 1996
DECISION
[2010] NSWIRComm 1018
1 This matter concerns an application by Siavash Khorramdel against
the Sydney South West Area Health Service ("SSWAHS") for a remedy
pursuant to s.
84 of the Industrial Relations Act 1996.
2 Mr Khorramdel was dismissed from his position of Intel Server Support
Officer with SSWAHS on the 7 February 2010. He filed his s.84 application on the
16 November 2009. He sought reinstatement, re-employment or monetary
compensation in lieu thereof.
3 The matter was listed for conciliation and directions before
Commissioner Tabbaa on the 7 December 2009 at which time conciliation
took
place. Further conciliation was conducted on the 14 December 2009. However as no
settlement could be reached and as the respondent
pressed the issue that the
application was out-of-time, directions were issued as to the filing and
exchange of witness statements
pursuant to Practice Direction 17.
4 The matter was re-allocated to the Commission as currently constituted
and listed for hearing to deal with the out-of-time issue
on the 10 March
2010.
5 On the 27 January 2010, Mr Khorramdel issued Summonses to Give
Evidence pursuant to s.165(3)(b) upon on the following persons:
Michael Williamson, HSU, General Secretary,Peter Mylan, HSU, Assistant Secretary,
Julie Cowdrey, HSU Organiser and
Debbie Neumann, HSU Councillor.
6 On the 3 March
2010, a Notice of Motion was filed by the Health Services Union ("HSU") seeking
that Michael Williamson and Peter
Mylan be exempted from attending the
Commission as required by the Summonses.
7 The Notice of Motion was set down for hearing before me on the 9 March
2010.
8 At the hearing Mr Cocquillon appeared on behalf of the HSU
together with Mr Morgan whose affidavit was attached to the Notice of Motion
(Exhibit 1).
9 After hearing from the parties, the Commission granted the exemption
from further attendance sought on behalf of Mr Williamson and
Mr Mylan, on the
basis that they had no direct involvement with the applicant's case. Mr
Cocquillon advised that Ms Cowdrey and Ms Neumann would, however, attend
in response to the Summonses issued.
10 The hearing was conducted on 10 and 17 March 2010.
11 At the hearing Mr Khorramdel appeared on his own behalf and had
filed a witness statement (Exhibit 6). He called as a witness his wife, Mitra
Zahraei, who had
also filed a witness statement (Exhibit 2).
12 Mr Rudd, Senior Human Resources Officer - Industrial
Relations, appeared on behalf of SSWAHS and called following witness who
gave oral evidence in addition to the witness statement filed:
Judith Neville - former Area Manager, Human Resources,
SSWAHS (Exhibit 7).
13 Ms Julie Cowdrey, HSU Organiser, and Ms Debbie Neumann, HSU Councillor
attended, and gave evidence in accordance with the Summonses
issued.
Background and Chronology based on the evidence filed and the
transcript.
14 Mr Korramdel is aged 47 and is married with 2 small children. He
commenced employment with the SSWAHS on the 8 October 2001.
15 His employment was covered by the terms and conditions of the
Health Employees Computer Staff (State) Award and the Health Employees
Conditions of Employment (State) Award.
16 On the 20 May 2008 Mr Khorramdel pleaded guilty in the District Court
to two charges of "dishonestly causing loss" by defrauding
Centrelink of some
$60,000 by claiming Newstart allowance and Disability support payments whilst
working full-time for SSWAHS during
the period 2001 to October 2006.
17 In or about June 2008 Mr Khorramdel deposed that, accompanied by Ms
Neumann, he met with Mr Nick van Domburg, Chief Information
Officer, SSWAHS,
"....and fully informed them about my circumstances."
18 About one week prior to this meeting Mr Khorramdel deposed that he had
submitted his annual leave/long service leave form for a
three months period and
left it in his Director's pigeon hole.
19 On the 17 October 2008, the District Court sentenced him to 18 months
gaol, with a non-parole period of 12 months.
20 On 25 October 2008, this information was communicated by letter to Mr
van Domburg by the Solicitor who had acted on Mr Korramdel's
behalf (Exhibit 7 -
JN1). It was also advised that a "notice of intention to appeal had been
lodged", it would be six months before
the appeal would likely be heard, appeal
bail could be applied for and, if granted, Mr Khorramdel would be released
within two weeks.
21 In late October 2008 Ms Neville received a telephone call from Mr
Korramdel, made from Silverwater Correctional Centre, seeking
payment of his
annual leave and long service leave whilst he was in gaol.
22 Following enquiries made by Ms Neville of Mr van Domburg confirming
his situation, a copy of the Solicitor's letter was forwarded
to her. She
subsequently met with Ms Jan Whalan, Director of Corporate Services, around 29
October 2008, to discuss the matter and,
following this discussion, prepared a
brief concerning Mr Khorramdel's circumstances, which was provided to Ms Whalan,
as well as
to the Chief Executive of SSWAHS (Exhibit 7 - JN2).
23 On the 6 November 2008, Ms Neville sent a letter to Mr Khorramdel's
Solicitor advising that "SSWAHS intends to terminate his employment
as he is
unable to fulfil his employment obligations to the Area Health Service." Mr
Khorramdel was given until 17 November 2008
to advise why he should not be
terminated, with any response from him to be considered before a final decision
was made (Exhibit
7 - JN3).
24 On the 13 November 2008, Ms Neville received a phone call from the
Solicitor advising that he no longer represented Mr Khorramdel
and that the
letter had been forwarded to Mr Khorramdel's wife. Ms Neville subsequently
contacted Mrs Zahraei who advised her that
he had applied for Legal Aid but
nothing had been decided and she sought that her husband's annual and long
service leave be paid.
Ms Neville advised that the Area Health Service was
reviewing the matter and would communicate with her husband.
25 Ms Neville extended the time for Mr Khorramdel to make a reply as to
why his employment should not be terminated until 19 December
2008, and wrote a
letter to this effect on 13 November 2008, sending it to him at Silverwater
Correctional Centre (Exhibit 7 - JN4).
26 Ms Neville deposed that on 17 November 2008, she received a phone call
from Mrs Zahraei advising that her husband had been moved
to Parramatta
Correctional Centre and was now requesting leave without pay for the period of
his incarceration. Ms Neville advised
that as he may not have received her
letter she would send another one to Parramatta and that in relation to his
request for leave
without pay, it would not be approved.
27 Ms Neville further extended the date by which Mr Khorramdel was to
reply to the Area Health Service as to why his employment should
not be
terminated until 19 December 2008 and sent him a letter to that effect to the
Parramatta Correctional Centre on 17 November
2008 (Exhibit 7 - JN5).
28 On 9 December 2008, Ms Neville received a letter from Mr Matthew
McGrouther, Welfare Officer, Silverwater Correctional Centre,
advising that Mr
Khorramdel's earliest date for release was 16 October 2009 and that on
approximately 16 April 2009, when he had
completed half of his custodial
sentence, "he may be eligible to apply for a reduction to his inmate
classification, which may permit
him to engage in full-time work within the
community and days/weekend leave" (Exhibit 7 - JN6).
29 Ms Neville deposed that in early December 2008, she received a
telephone call from Ms Cowdrey, the HSU organiser, ringing on Mr
Khorramdel's
behalf and requesting annual leave whilst he was in prison. Ms Neville advised
that the Chief Executive was considering
his termination as he could not perform
his role while in gaol. Ms Neville was asked if the Area Health Service would
consider allowing
him to apply for any vacancies as an internal applicant when
he was released from gaol. She advised that he would only be able to
apply for
jobs as an external candidate and that his application would be based on
merit.
30 It was Ms Cowdrey's evidence that this conversation took place in
early January. However there is no dispute that such a conversation
took
place.
31 On 18 December 2008, Ms Neville received a letter from Mr Khorramdel
dated 10 December 2008. The letter referred to his eligibility
for work release
in April 2009 - "which I can work as normal employee with SSWAHS". He sought
three months annual/long service leave
and requested annual leave forms so he
could fill them in and return them (Exhibit 7 - JN7).
32 It is not contested that on SSWAHS' calculations Mr Khorramdel had 42
days long service leave accrued and 258.40 hours of annual
leave accrued.
33 Mr Khorramdel subsequently telephoned Ms Neville who advised him that
his reply had been received but that he had not addressed
the issues raised. He
undertook to provide a further response.
34 In early January 2009, Ms Neville deposed that she and Ms Whalan, met
with Mr Wallace, the SSWAHS Chief Executive, to discuss Mr
Khorramdel's response
and it was agreed that he did not address the issues of his incarceration. It
was considered that the letter
from Mr McGrouther only suggested that he "may"
be eligible for a reduction in his inmate classification and this was not
guaranteed.
35 On the 18 January 2008, Ms Neumann sent an email to Ms Cowdrey
reporting on her involvement with Mr Khorramdel to date (Exhibit
3). The email
in part said:
After Simon had told me what he had done, I realised that this was nothing to do with the Union but a civil matter. I then suggested he go to Nick van Domburg, who was Chief Information Officer, Information Management and Technology Division, Sydney South West Area Health Service Health Service, and inform him of what was happening so that Nick as his boss knew the situation. As Simon could be facing gaol time for what he had done, which would affect his employment here at SSWAHS, I went into the meeting with Simon and Nick as a support person.
36 The report went on to
indicate that she had been requested to write a character reference for him but
had declined as he was a
work colleague only and other than that she did not
know him outside of the work environment and therefore could not write something
she did not believe in. She received a number of phone calls following the
meeting, from Mr Khorramdel, and then his wife, concerning
writing a reference
and attending court. After he was sentenced they both asked her to save his job
while he was in gaol. The report
then went on:
I informed both Simon and his wife that I could not do that as this was a civil matter and had nothing to do with the Union.
She had not heard anything further from them.
37 On 20 January 2008, Mr Wallace, the Chief Executive SSWAHS, forwarded
a letter of termination to Mr Khorramdel (Exhibit 7 - JN8)
advising that his
response of 10 December had been considered and that it had been decided to
proceed with a recommendation to terminate
his services within 14 days of the
date of the letter for the following reasons:
i. as a result of your gaol
sentence you are unable to fulfil your employment obligations to the Area Health
Service;
ii. you have not provided information about the charge and
subsequent gaol sentence;
iii. you have not provided an explanation as to how
your sentence may impact upon your future employment with SSWAHS.
38 Ms Neville deposed that in late January she was again phoned by Ms
Cowdrey who requested that if the Area Health Service proceeded
with a
termination would they allow him to be re-employed when he was available for
release. Ms Neville advised that he could only
apply as an external candidate
and Ms Cowdrey indicated she would let the member know.
39 In late January Ms Cowdrey sought advice from Mr Morgan (Acting
Manager Industrial Services, HSU) as to the position concerning
Mr Khorramdel
and received the following email in reply on 27 January 2009 (Exhibit 5):
I have reviewed the correspondence that you forwarded to me this morning.On the basis of the letters dated 13 November and 17 November indicate that the South West Area Health Service considers terminating his employment important because he is "unable to fulfil (his) employment obligations" I believe that any challenge to the Area Health Service's decision would be unlikely to be successful.
The letter dated 20th January possibly could be challenged on the basis that the allegations (ii) that he had not provided information about the charge and goal sentence, and (iii) that he did not provide an explanation about how his sentence may impact on his future employment with SSWAHS may be factually wrong, but the primary problem is the doctrine of "frustration" where the employment contract can be considered terminated if an employee is unable to fulfil the obligations contained within the contract of employment (such as not turning up for work for extended periods of time.)
Typically the "frustration" described in the case law is caused by long-term illness/incapacity, or imprisonment.
Unless Mr Khorramdel has appeal proceedings currently under way (as implied in Mr Hodge's letter dated 25th October,) I don't consider it likely that it would be possible to have SSWAHS reverse its decision, and equally unlikely that the Industrial Relations Commission would overrule that decision.
40 On 29 January 2008, Ms Neville
received a 2 page letter from Mr Khorramdel (dated 28 January and with
Silverwater Correctional
Centre given as the address) that had been forwarded to
her by Mr McGrouther (Exhibit 7 - JN 9). The letter provided the history
and
background of his situation and addressed the reasons for termination.
41 In the letter Mr Khorramdel indicated as follows:
· that he
would be eligible for work release on 17 April 2009 and can work as "a normal
employee" with SSWAHS and was "confident
to fulfil my employment obligations",
· he had three months annual/long service leave which he had not used
which would allow him to remain an employee until mid-April
2009,
· he
was in a minimum security gaol and Corrective Services had progressed him one
step closer to work release, with the next
step being work release,
· he indicated that he had provided sufficient information to Mr van
Domburg at every point and did not realise he had to provide
that information to
Ms Neville, he also presumed the information was passed on to her by Mr van
Domburg,
· he further indicated that Mr van Domburg had not expressed
any concern in regards to his duties; his work was IT support solving
technical
problems; he did not have any connection with financial transactions or handling
money, and had not dealt with any financial
transaction or handled money during
his seven years of employment with SSWAHS.
He concluded by indicating that Ms Cowdrey from the HSU was acting on his behalf.
42 On 29 January 2009, Ms Neville provided a further brief to Mr Wallace
summarising the key issues concerning the employment of
Mr Khorramdel (Exhibit
7- JN10). She advised inter alia that he had requested that he be paid
his annual long/service leave until he would be eligible for work release on 17
April 2009.
Ms Neville indicated he was still unable to fulfil his employment
obligations to the Area Health Service and recommended that his
termination
proceed as advised.
43 On 7 February 2009, Mr Wallace forwarded a termination letter to Mr
Khorramdel indicating that his second letter of the 28 January
2009 had been
received and considered, but that after "due deliberation" it had been decided
to proceed with a recommendation to
terminate his services, as previously
advised, for the following reason:
"as a result of your gaol sentence you are unable to fulfil your employment obligations to the Area Health Service".
44 Mr
Khorramdel's termination took effect from 7 February 2009. He was paid all
annual and long service leave entitlements on termination.
He was not paid for
the period covering his incarceration from 16 October 2008 to 7 February 2009.
45 Later in February 2009, Ms Neville left SSWAHS to take up her current
position as the Director Workforce for Justice Health.
46 Mr Khorramdel deposed that he left messages on Ms Cowdrey's mobile phone in February 2009 and requested HSU to take "legal action" against SSWAHS. In early March he spoke to her on the phone and asked her to take "legal action" against SSWAHS but she "declined" to talk about that and promised on his release to get SSWAHS to accept his resignation and help him find a job within New South Wales Health Department.
47 Mr Khorramdel phoned Ms Cowdrey on the 3 September 2009 and asked her
to go back to SSWAHS to fulfil the promise. She agreed to
talk to SSWAHS Human
Resources. He repeated that if their agreement was not fulfilled then the Union
should take "legal action".
48 On the 23 September 2009, Mr Khorramdel sent the following email
message to Ms Cowdrey (Exhibit 6):
Hi Jodi,how are you. I now have internet access so I thought to send you an email to get any updates or news you have for me. I do not know what steps you have taken or what stage you are with SSWAHS but they need to understand my unfair dismissal case will not go away. I will fight this because I believe I do have a strong case for it. Looking forward to hear from you.
He then provided his home phone number and his
wife's name.
49 He did not receive a reply to that email.
50 On 16 October 2009, Mr Khorramdel was released from gaol.
51 On the 26 October 2009, Mr Khorramdel deposed that he spoke to Ms
Cowdrey on the phone and she told him that SSWAHS were not going
to accept any
resignation.
52 On 27 October 2009 Mr Khorramdel wrote to both Mr Michael Williamson,
and Mr Peter Mylan of the HSU requesting a written report
from them concerning
his matter. He did not receive any written report.
53 Mr Khorramdel was subsequently referred by the HSU to the Union
Solicitors, Slater and Gordon. He attended their offices and received
advice
from them on Friday, 13 November 2009.
54 Mr Khorramdel filed his s.84 application on Monday, 16 November 2009,
some 256 days out-of-time.
The Evidence
55 Mrs Zahraei's evidence was that during
November and December 2008, she spoke to both Mr van Domburg and Ms Neville and
repeatedly
requested her husband's annual leave/long service leave and asked for
the annual leave forms so that he could apply again if the
original one had been
lost or misplaced. No one ever provided her with a clear answer for the annual
leave application. She didn't
receive any forms. She also contacted Ms Cowdrey
in early December 2008 and asked her to do "whatever she can to get my husband
annual/long service leave". Ms Cowdrey told her she would try, but because he
was in gaol, that it was hard.
56 Mrs Zahraei also said that she contacted Ms Cowdrey in
November/December 2008 and told her that her husband was in Parramatta gaol
and
asked if she could help him write the letter for Ms Neville's response. She
didn't provide "any clearance there".
57 In January 2009, she again contacted Ms Cowdrey to tell her Mr Wallace
had decided to terminate her husband's employment and "could
you please help him
to get his annual leave" . Ms Cowdrey told her that because her husband was in
gaol it was hard for him to get
his annual/long service leave. Mrs Zahaei told
her that if SSWAHS terminated her husband's employment then "union must take
legal
action to take SSWAHS to court". But Ms Cowdrey did not provide her with
any answer to the request.
58 Mrs Zahraei also indicated that in September 2009 her husband asked her to contact Ms Cowdrey to pursue SSWAHS management to fulfil the HSU and management agreement about her husband resigning from his position so that he could apply for internal positions within the New South Wales Health Department. She left messages for Ms Cowdrey explaining her request.
59 In cross examination Mrs Zahraei clarified that what she was seeking in asking for the annual leave was so that her husband could keep his job. She didn't know how much annual leave he had.
60 Ms Neumann is a HSU Councillor and President of the HSU Sub-Branch at Liverpool Hospital. She knew Mr Khorramdel as a work colleague only. She confirmed that she attended a meeting with Mr Khorramdel and Mr van Domburg about the possibility of gaol time. She also confirmed that she was subsequently contacted by Mrs Zahraei. She did not recall having any conversation with anybody regarding possible legal action by the Union on behalf of Mr Khorramdel. She recalled being contacted by Mr Khorramdel's wife and being asked as a Union Councillor to help save his job and she informed her that she could not do that.
61 Ms Neumann clarified that in relation to the reference in her email to - "this being a civil matter and nothing to do with the Union" - she was saying that that was in regards to saving his job while he was in gaol because the charges he was on were not related to him working at their department or in the Hospital. There was no reason for the Union to be saving his job. It wasn't a matter that they should have been involved in. It was her understanding when he was asking her, that it was as a HSU representative. It was her understanding that it wasn't a Union matter, it did not concern the HSU or the sub-branch at the Hospital. She told him from the day he came to her and told her he was in trouble and going to court that it was a civil matter and wasn't a union matter.
62 Ms Neumann further clarified what she meant by a civil matter as being that he had been arrested and charged for defrauding Centrelink and for him to do that and go to gaol had nothing to do with his work employment or the Union keeping his job, it was something outside of work which had nothing to do with the work itself. She was asked to save his job while he was in gaol but she considered that a civil matter and not something that HSU could embark upon.
63 Ms Cowdrey indicated that she had written her report (Exhibit 4) after she had received a phone call from Mr Khorramdel on the 26 October 2009, and possibly in November/December 2009. The report had not been written from memory. When dealing with a member she had a file with all the evidence she had placed on the file and when she spoke to Mr Khorramdel and other people she made a note of that in her file. She further indicated that basically the notes were exactly what she would have written, the only thing was that they were in handwriting and she typed them up.
64 Ms Cowdrey had been on leave over Christmas 2008 and returned to work
on the 20 January 2009. She confirmed the phone contacts
she had with Mr
Khorramdel. The request to go to Parramatta gaol to help him write a letter came
from his wife. Ms Cowdrey said that
she didn't see it as her role to go and
visit someone in gaol.
65 Mrs Cowdrey maintained that Mr Khorramdel did not get in contact with
the Union until after 20 January 2009. They did not know
anything in relation to
any of the issues prior to that. When she was first contacted by Mr Khorramdel
from Silverwater gaol she
thought it was a joke and initially hung up. The phone
call indicated that she was receiving a phone call from the Silverwater
Detention
Correctional Service and the next minute Mr Khorramdel came on the
line. He also informed her in the conversation that he was being
transferred to
Parramatta gaol.
66 She had no way of contacting Mr Khorramdel so she asked Ms Neville if
she could provide her with all the details she had in relation
to the case. Ms
Neville subsequently faxed her copies of the letters that had been sent to
him.
67 Ms Cowdrey maintained that she did not have any contact with Ms
Neville in 2008 nor did she have any contact with Mr Khorramdel
in 2008
regarding his matter. In 2008 she was not the organiser for the Western cluster
of Sydney South West. She only became the
organiser of all of Sydney South West
in 2009.
68 Ms Cowdrey had written no official letters to the Area Health Service
because there wasn't the time. He was facing termination
and it had to be acted
upon quickly to get to the Area.
69 She understood that the reason he was being terminated was because of
his inability to perform his duty. They were able to get
one of the original
points in the termination letter removed, that being that the Area Health
Service had not been informed of what
the issue was and they were able to prove
that was incorrect.
70 She had not written any report at this time nor had she spoken to Mr
Williamson or Mr Mylan. Her line of reporting was to the Lead
Organiser, Mr
Gerard Hayes. She also had to discuss the matter with the HSU Industrial
Officer to seek advice, she didn't make decisions
on her own. As soon as she
received the information from the Area it was scanned and emailed to Mr Morgan
for his opinion and then
she received the email back.
71 Ms Cowdrey confirmed the HSU Call Centre log (Exhibit 5) which was
created by the Call Centre Operator (with details of the member
listed) and
showed three entries concerning Mr Khorramdel as follows:
10/12/2009 2:34 PMmember rang re unfair dismissal he has taken to IRC wanting union to appear in commission 13/12/09 at 10:30 a.m. saying the Commissioner had directed HSU to attend refereed (sic) matter to GH and BC who are following up
26/10/2009 10:51 AM
member has been in Jail for the last 12 months and the the (sic) AHS sacked the member in January for abandonment of duty as the member had not informed the AHS of the fraud charges against the member. JC told me that the EX member should be referred to GH please see below email.
The email sent by Mr Morgan to Ms Cowdrey on 27 January 2009 then followed (see Background and Chronology above).
23/09/2009 12:54 PMMember returned phone call that was made by call centre. Member has left POE. Have resigned membership. ms
72 Ms Cowdrey
indicated that whether the Union took a matter up when a Union member was
terminated depended on the reason why the
person was terminated. What normally
happened was once the member was notified they discussed it with their "Leads"
and then it
would go to industrial.
73 Ms Cowdrey confirmed that the letter that had been sent to Mr
Khorramdel on 20 November 2009 (which was not in evidence) although
signed by Mr
Williamson, had actually been written by Mr Gerard Hayes, Ms Cowdrey's Lead
Organiser.
74 Ms Cowdrey indicated that there was no obligation on the Union to
write a report when a member was terminated. She had spoken
to Mr Khorramdel
and his wife and his sister-in-law who kept ringing her from Melbourne. She had
spoken to Mr Khorramdel and he
had accepted what she had said to him. She was
never asked to put it in writing.
75 She had asked the Area Health Service if they would accept his
resignation but they indicated that no, they wouldn't. She believed
anybody who
left the Area Health Service had the right to re-apply for the position when
they chose to. There was no deal done between
the Union and the Area Health
Service that Mr Khorramdel would resign and then re-apply for the position.
That was incorrect. She
had only spoken to Ms Neville in relation to getting a
resignation to make it easier for him to get a position when he was released
from gaol.
76 She did not tell Mr Khorramdel that she would get him a resignation
and help him to get a job within the New South Wales Health
Department, she only
said she would try and get the Area to give him a resignation so it would make
it easier for him to get a position
back within Health or in the outside world.
She denied that she gave any confirmation to Mr Khorramdel that he was asking
for an
internal position and she said yes.
77 On questioning from the Commission, Ms Cowdrey indicated that she was
never asked to file an unfair dismissal application for Mr
Khorramdel.
78 Ms Cowdrey indicated that when it became certain that there was no
chance for Mr Khorramdel to get a resignation or apply internally,
she did not
provide any legal option to him because the advice given by their industrial was
that there was none because of him being
in goal.
79 Ms Cowdrey maintained that she gave him all the advice that she was
given in relation to his case in February 2009 by telephone
and even spoke to
his wife in relation to it and relayed it to her and also spoke to his
sister-in-law who rang from Melbourne on
numerous occasions. HSU considered
that all they were able to do was to seek a resignation from the Area so as to
make it easier
for him to find a position once he was released.
80 Ms Cowdrey denied that in every conversation she had with Mr
Khorramdel she was asked to take legal action against the Hospital
and
declined to talk about it.
81 Ms Cowdrey denied that she declined to provide Mr Khorramdel with a
written report because she said the matter was not finalised
because she was
going to get him a resignation and he could apply for internal positions.
82 Ms Cowdrey confirmed that she received a phone call from Mr Khorramdel
in September 2009 where he stated he was getting out of
Silverwater Correctional
Centre in October and could she get his job back, and if the Area would find him
another job. She said
that yet again she informed him that there was no way he
could have his job at the Area and that she was not going to find him a
job as
she was not an employment agency. He kept emphasising to her on the phone that
she had promised him that she would find him
a job and she clearly stated to him
on a number of occasions she was not an employment agency.
83 Ms Cowdrey did not recall the email that Mr Khorramdel sent to her on
23 September 2009. She said she always replied to her emails
but received over
200 a day. She could not recall this email.
84 In cross-examination Ms Cowdrey confirmed that the report (Exhibit 3)
was a true and accurate reflection of the events regarding
Mr Khorramdel and her
involvement to the best of her knowledge. The advice that she received in the
email from Mr Morgan was given
to Mr Khorramdel in early February and was also
given to the applicant's wife and his sister-in-law. She further agreed that
she
told him that the HSU would not be running an unfair dismissal case based on
the advice that she had received. She didn't hear from
him again until
September 2009. She reiterated the previous advice that she had given in
February 2009.
85 Ms Cowdrey was asked whether Mrs Zahraei ever asked the HSU to take
legal action on behalf of Mr Khorramdel.
86 She responded that her first contact with Mrs Zahraei was to actually
get his annual leave and long service leave. It was about
20 to 25 minutes into
the conversation before she actually informed her that he was in goal and that
was the reason for the leave.
Ms Cowdrey just thought he was away somewhere and
needed the leave.
87 Once Ms Cowdrey ascertained from her that he was in goal Mrs Zahraei
informed her they didn't have any solicitors and that they
needed help from the
Union. Ms Cowdrey informed her that was unlikely that the Area Health Service
would approve any leave in relation
to why Mr Khorramdel was actually in gaol
because it was not normally the Area Health Service's policy to grant annual
leave or long
service leave while someone was doing a sentence in gaol. Not in
her 21 years in health.
88 She did not know whatsoever that he had been to Court or that he had
been charged until January 2009.
89 Mr Khorramdel acknowledged in cross-examination that he had submitted
the forms for three months annual/long service leave before
he met with Mr van
Domburg. At that stage he knew he could be facing goal but didn't know for how
long. He wanted to use his leave
so that his wife could receive that money to
support her. He needed the money. It was his entitlement. He clarified that he
was not
seeking a lump sum but fortnightly payments into his bank in the
eventuality that he went to gaol.
90 He also acknowledged that his wife contacted Mr van Domburg and Ms
Neville in November/December 2008 repeatedly requesting his
leave as he wanted
to use his leave for as long as he could while he was in incarceration.
91 Mr Khorramdel denied that he misrepresented what the letter from the
Welfare Officer at Silverwater said about work release. He
had had a verbal
conversation with Corrective Services and they had said he would get it. However
he acknowledged that as at the
9 December 2008, the letter only described the
situation as being that he was eligible to apply for a reduction in his inmate
status
which "may" permit him to engage in full work within the community and
that was all that was known.
92 Mr Khorramdel was cross-examined on what his contact with Ms Cowdrey
was and what she had told him and what he wrote about that
in his subsequent 27
October 2009 letter to Mr Williamson of the HSU. Relevant extracts from the
transcript are as follows:
Q. Now, you say that "On 12 December 2009 until the end of February 2009, I left a few phone messages on Ms Jodie Cowdery's mobile phone and requested the Health Services Union to take legal action against SSWAHS"?A. Mm-hmm.
COMMISSIONER: Q. You'll need to answer a yes.
A. Yes, I'm sorry.
RUDD: Q. So you still say that?
A. Yes, yes, I did it, I said it in the cross-examination of Ms Cowdery too and I stand by it. I did leave those phone messages on her mobile.
Q. You then go on to say that she declined to talk about it. So are you saying that she doesn't say anything in response?
A. Yes, she just didn't want to talk about it, as Mrs - sorry, I don't want to talk about something. Yes, she declined to talk about it. When I asked her, she just didn't want to talk about it and talked about something else. She talked about, you know, you're in gaol, be happy with your termination, go away, I'm not going to bother myself.
Q. Okay. Well, I'll just jump forward then to paragraph 15 of your affidavit where you talk about a letter that you forwarded to Mr Williamson dated 27 October 2009, which is attached to your affidavit.
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RUDD: Q. Now, if I can take you to the third sentence, which reads, "I immediately contacted Ms Jodie Cowdery and insisted to pursue the matter to Industrial Relations Commission for unfair dismissal case or any other legal avenue for public servants. She declined to do so."
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Q. Now, what I just asked you a moment ago, what was the response given by Ms Cowdery when you made your request. That's not consistent with what you've put in your letter, this is your letter dated 27 October 2009 to Mr Michael Williamson, is it?
A. I'm sorry, I just was writing a summary of the evidence, not to go through and say on this date I left one phone message, on the second day - a few days later I left a second and third. No, I did not have such intention. But what I'm trying to say is after I received it, I tried to contact her and left a message on her voice message to say take legal action, take legal action, take legal action. So the contents of it is right, because I left a voice message on her mobile. Immediately I contacted, I left a message on her voicemail.
Q. This is your letter, isn't it, Mr Khorramdel?
A. Yes, it is.
Q. You say, "she declined to do so", don't you?
A. Yes, that's right.
Q. She declined to do so?
A. That is right.
Q. So that's not consistent with what you've previously said, is it?
A. What is it?
Q. You said in your letter, and I'll quote it again--
A. That is right.
Q. --"I immediately contacted Ms Jodie Cowdery and insisted she pursue the matter to Industrial Relations Commission for unfair dismissal case or any other legal avenue for public servants". And then you write, this is your letter, you start off, "She declined to do so".
A. That is right.
Q. So she's declined to do so, this is in February of 2009?
A. No, this is March when I had the conversation.
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RUDD: Q. Well, what I put to you then, Mr Khorramdel, is that if you say in March that you speak to her, it's in March that she declines to take that matter for you, doesn't she?
A. That is right.
Q. Now, I put it to you, you've been told then in March - which you have accepted - that the Health Services Union are not going to advance this matter for you--
A. On legal grounds.
Q. On legal grounds, yes.
A. That is right.
Q. You just don't accept the answer though, do you?
A. (No verbal reply)
Q. I'll rephrase the question. They've told you, on your own evidence, your evidence is that in March of 2009 they've told you they will not pursue the matter for you on legal grounds, that's correct, isn't it?
A. That is right.
Q. You don't accept that answer though, do you?
A. No, I did not, because she told me she is going to do that, that I finish my sentence, she's going to get my resignation so I can apply for that internal position. That's a kind of a deal, she explained to me. It came across to me as a deal, that's what I'm going to do. If you are going to do that, so we are not going to take legal action, that was the implication. So I just had to agree with and I trusted her and I trusted her, she said that's what she's going to do. And I said, well, union is doing her best and I trusted and instead of going down the legal avenue, she's trying to approach a reconciliation and that was exactly my own thought during my gaol sentence and every time I talked to her, she is approaching reconciliation, trying to reconcile things and find a solution which both sides are happy. That was all the conversation and the impression and the thoughts I had and all I had to do before I finished my gaol sentence, I call her again, start the process and that's what exactly I did in September.
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Q. Now, what you've just then put, Mr Khorramdel, is an either/or option, but that's not what you just said a moment ago. What you agreed with me is that in March 2009, the Health Services Union have told you that they are not going to take legal action for you. That is correct?
A. That is right.
Q. Right. And you accepted that?
A. Yes, I agreed with what she's agreed to do. That's what I said.
Q. No, you--
A. Yes, all right, I said, well, if that's what you are going to do that for me, then well, okay, so we don't take legal action, we just stick to that deal and we just go on happy with that. I resign and then I can apply for internal position. That's what I agreed. I said, well, she's doing something for me.
93 The following exchange took place concerning the "deal" Mr Khorramdel maintained Ms Cowdrey had made with SSWAHS as follows:
Q. I'm sorry, what deal? What deal?A. The one she explained to me.
Q. How can there be a deal? You've just told me that they've told you in March 2009 that they're not going to take legal action for you and you accepted that. How is that a deal?
A. No, they had agreement with the Area to do that, so there was no need to take legal action. If I agree with - can I explain it?
COMMISSIONER: As I explain it, Mr Rudd, to cut to the chase, Mr Khorramdel is saying that because he understood Ms Cowdery to be saying that the Area - and this is just what Mr Khorramdel understands, not that Ms Cowdery did it - but Mr Khorramdel understood that Ms Cowdery had some sort of agreement with the Area Health Service that when he was released, he would resign and then he would be able to apply for an internal position.
Q. Is that what you understood?
A. Exactly.
94 Mr Khorramdel agreed that he
contacted the HSU again in September 2009, and all the conversation was to go
back and pursue them
to fulfil their agreement. She told him it would be
difficult and he told her it was her job and if they don't want to fulfil their
agreement then perhaps take legal action but again she declined to talk about
that and said that she was going to go and talk to
them again.
95 He also sent her the e-mail to see how she was going and he was hoping
that she would at least send back to him to tell him what
she'd done. He
acknowledged that she declined to talk about legal action but was only going to
pursue the agreement about the resignation
and applying for internal
positions.
96 Mr Khorramdel was again referred to his letter to Mr Williamson and
said that he took the actions he outlined in the letter which
read as
follows:
In early September 2009, I contacted Ms Jodie Cowdrey and asked her about what I needed to do to seek re-employment with the Area. As usual, she brought lots of excuses for not doing work and eventually agreed to talk to the Area. I also instructed her if the Area is not willing to do so then she must pursue legal avenues to get my employment to be reinstated.
97 He went on to say that he sent
one more email but she did not reply to him and the second time he could talk to
her was on the
26 October and that was the last time he ever had a conversation
with her. She told him they were not going to take legal action.
98 He agreed that in March 2009 she declined to talk about legal action.
He maintained that until September there was no need to
take legal action
because getting the resignation was what they were going to do.
99 Mr Khorramdel rejected the proposition that if he was dissatisfied
with the HSU's representation he could have filed an unfair
dismissal
application, but chose not to. He maintained that he was relying on the
agreement on what the Union was going to do.
100 He didn't know about the 21 day threshold or even what institution he
had to go to. He only realised that was what he needed
him to do after he spoke
to the Union Solicitors that he was subsequently referred to.
101 In response to questions from the Commission about just how he could
have applied as an internal applicant once he had resigned,
he indicated that he
couldn't answer on the technicalities, but that during a telephone conversation
with Ms Cowdrey (in March 2009)
he specifically asked her, and she confirmed
that he could do that.
102 Mr Khorramdel rejected the proposition that he could have contacted
SSWAHS to ascertain whether such an agreement was in place
because the Union was
working on his behalf and he trusted Ms Cowdrey on that one. His previous
experience with Ms Neville was that
she never wanted to talk about these things
with him, he tried twice and she declined to talk about that.
103 Mr Khorramdel acknowledged that the onus was on him for the delay but
he had to explain his circumstances.
104 Mr Khorramdel also indicated that he could only talk on the telephone
from gaol for a maximum of about 6 minutes.
105 Ms Neville's evidence is substantially as set out in the Background
and Chronology above.
106 In cross examination Ms Neville indicated the reason annual leave
forms were not sent to Mr Khorramdel was that the issue was
not about his
request for annual leave, the issue had become bigger than that and was in
relation to him being in prison.
107 The Area Health Service and New South Wales Health Service's policy
states that any employee charged or convicted of an offence
that warrants more
than 12 months imprisonment is regarded as a serious offence and that must be
notified to the Director of Corporate
Services for consideration. Mr Khorramdel
had not done that and this was the issue that overrode his request for annual
leave.
She had not been advised by Mr van Domburg about the matter. The policy
stated that it was the employee's responsibility to notify
the Director of
Corporate Services.
108 Ms Neville acknowledged that the failure to notify the Director of
Corporate Services wasn't the reason for Mr Khorramdel's dismissal.
109 When she wrote to Mr Khorramdel on 17 November 2008 she did not give
a reason why his annual leave was not approved. That was
not the result of her
investigation. His request for annual leave had been superseded by the fact that
they had ascertained he was
in prison and it wasn't relevant at that stage
because they were writing to him to advise that they were going to terminate his
services.
That exceeded his request for annual leave.
110 In response to questions from the Commission, in an attempt to
clarify the position as to whether it was the policy of the Area
Health Service
to grant leave to employees whilst they were in gaol, Ms Neville indicated that
she had never had this experience
in all of her professional career.
111 Ms Neville agreed that staff did not have to indicate on their annual
leave application where and how they wanted to spend their
holidays. However
she went on to say that approval of annual leave was not automatic, the employer
could say no. The Awards required
that the employer allocate when annual leave
is required to be taken and in general circumstances, a manager will say to
staff, you
can organise amongst yourselves who was going to take annual leave
and when, as long as there is a requirement that a certain amount
of staff be at
work to provide the service.
112 She went on to say that whilst Mr Khorramdel was in prison, based on
the Service's requirement and the continuing needs of the
Service, the employer
could turn around and say that he couldn't take his annual leave at this time
because so many people were
off on annual leave at the same time, that is, if he
was working. He was not working, he was in prison and he was charged with,
and
sentenced to 18 months. He couldn't fulfil the obligations for which he was
employed.
113 She did not believe his annual leave would have taken him up to April
in any event. The Chief Executive Officer had examined
the letter from the
Welfare Officer and it said he "may be" eligible. There was no guarantee, and it
was on that basis that the Chief
Executive made the decision.
114 Ms Neville rejected the proposition that if he had been granted his
annual leave, as at the date of his termination, that would
have taken him up to
the suggested date in April and because he was denied his entitlement that made
him unavailable for the work
and then he was terminated because he was
unavailable. Ms Neville indicated that he made himself unavailable by being in
prison.
The issue was not about granting annual leave.
115 In response to further questions from the Commission, she indicated
that if annual leave had been granted on day one, when it
was asked for, it
would not have helped him because that leave would have been exhausted by the
date of termination.
116 Ms Neville agreed that she was contacted by Ms Cowdrey about Mr
Khorramdel being able to resign but could not remember the details.
Ms Cowdrey
raised the issue about his annual leave. She raised the issue that could he
apply for positions as an internal applicant
once he got out of prison and Ms
Neville told her that no, once he was terminated he was ex-employee and he could
only apply for
positions externally. They were not considering his annual leave
because they were considering his termination. She did not recall
any
discussion about allowing him to resign.
Submissions
117 Mr Khorramdel submitted that
Ms Cowdrey, who represented the HSU, knew about the intention of his termination
from November 2008 to February 2009.
Further, Ms Neumann was confused about
whether unfair dismissal is a civil or a criminal proceeding.
118 There
were two witnesses pointing to the agreement about him resigning and seeking
employment again, while Ms Cowdrey denied
the subject at all.
119 The
HSU did not seek any legal advice, and even their own internal advice pre-empted
the situation by ignoring the facts. They
did not provide him with any legal or
industrial information and he had no knowledge of 21 days threshold time and
didn't even know
he had to go to the New South Wales Industrial Relations
Commission. He was always told public servants have their own
tribunal.
120 Mr Khorramdel submitted that Mr Williams, HSU
General Secretary, wrote a report on 20 November 2009 about his case, but never
send it to him. They
sent it to Liverpool. He had to summons the documents to
get them.
121 Mr Mylan made a referral for the Union Solicitor on 5 November 2009
and he had legal advice from the Union Solicitor on Friday,
13 November 2009 and
lodged his application on Monday, 16 November 2009.
122 Mr Khorramdel submitted that he was sent to see the Union
Solicitors and he was holding the HSU responsible for this out of time
application.
123 He further submitted that the HSU did not practice any
transparency in their work. On the Unfair Dismissal Application form,
in the
Information part, it said that union members need to approach their union to act
on their behalf or get industrial relations
advice. He paid the HSU almost $550
to $600 per year for so many years to act on his behalf and provide him advice
once he needed
them.
124 He submitted that Ms Cowdrey didn't care less about handling his
case. She gave him endless amounts of empty promises and misleading
information
just to make it to go away and be happy with his termination.
125 He
submitted that the Union could afford to spend time to sit in court during this
case when their staff was in the witness box
but they could not afford to send
someone come to gaol and see him and provide him with legal advice. They
couldn't even write to
him.
126 Mr Khorramdel then referred the Commission to the provisions
of s.85(3) and submitted that this allowed the Commission to exercise its
discretion about extending on the out-of-time application.
127 He went on to submit that to arbitrarily adopt an approach that
"ignorance of the law is no excuse" when dealing with an application
for an
extension of time may lead to a failure to consider potentially relevant issues
such as the reasons and circumstances as to
the ignorance of the relevant time
limitation. Personal circumstances affecting or potentially affecting an
applicant's knowledge
or access to professional advice and the actual
circumstances giving rise to late lodgement, including any attempt to lodge an
application.
128 Mr Khorramdel submitted that he believed he had an arguable
case with reasonable prospects of success on merit of his case.
129 He
had been out of work for almost one and a half years. Since he have made his
application he had tried to look for a job and
there had not been any success.
One of his major obstacles was the explanation of being out of work from October
2008 to October
2009 in his resumé.
130 This unfair dismissal had brought him considerable hardship but there
was no hardship on the respondent.
131 He submitted that the Commission should exercise its discretion and
extend the time for his application.
132 Mr Khorramdel cited the
following cases involving the granting of extensions of time of varying periods
ranging from 5 weeks to 3 years and for
various circumstances viz.
John Ninness and ors v Miller Bulk Haulage Farming Co Pty Ltd (now Miller
Farming Co. Pty Ltd) [2008] NSWIRComm 183; Marcus Lewandowski v NSW
Police Force [2009] NSWIRComm 132; Moore v Metropolitan Local Aboriginal
Land Council [2005] NSWIRComm 325 and Stephen Wendt v Peace Birk and
ors [2004] NSWIRComm 275.
133 Mr Rudd for SSWAHS indicated
that whilst those case citations had not been provided and he understood that,
two of them were probably not
relevant, being the CIM matters, unless they were
going to general principles of filing applications out of time.
134 Mr
Rudd also noted that it was his recollection that the 20 November letter
from Mr Williamson, referred to by Mr Khorramdel in his submissions, was
not actually part of the evidence. He did not recall that actually being
attached to his affidavit.
135 Mr Rudd submitted however, that
that letter actually detailed the HSU position, and that was different to the
characterisation that Mr Khorramdel put on the letter. In summary, that
letter went on to state:
In early February, you requested an update on this matter. You were advised that despite the representations made on your behalf by the Union, the Area Health Service would not approve any type of leave and that the decision to terminate your employment would be maintained. At this time you were advised of the industrial advice. I understand while you were not happy with the situation, you were happy for the local organiser to make representations into securing a resignation. Upon your release in October 2009, you wrote to the Union and following this communication, the Union referred you to Slater and Gordon for legal advice relating to your concerns."
136 It was submitted that the correct
characterisation of this letter, whilst it was accepted that it was not in
evidence, but it
was put in submissions by Mr Khorramdel, was that it
reiterated the HSU's position, that he has raised some concerns and as a result
of concerns, they had referred him to
an external law firm. It could not be
taken any higher than that.
137 It was submitted that with respect to the
legislative requirements of s.85(3), the Commission must be satisfied that there
is a sufficient reason for the matter to be accepted out of time. The obstacle
the applicant
had to overcome was that he had to show that the Commission could
be satisfied that there is a sufficient reason. When the evidence
was examined
that was clearly not the case. The applicant has not been able to demonstrate
that there is a sufficient reason.
138 Mr Rudd summarised the
relevant evidence relied upon by the applicant as follows:
· The
evidence of Mrs Zahraei did not go towards any of the real issues that are
fundamental in this matter. Primarily she was
asking for Mr Khorramdel's annual
leave and long service leave to be given to him. It was not denied that that
request was been made.
Ms Neumann's evidence was clear and concise. She was
talking in her role as a HSU Sub-Branch President. From at least January 2009,
she had told him that the HSU were not going to advance that matter for him.
This was specifically stated in her email to Ms Cowdrey
(Exhibit 3). Mr
Khorramdel had known from that time, on Ms Neumann's evidence, that the HSU
were not going to advance that matter for him.
· Ms Cowdrey appeared to
be a very reliable and a very credible witness. Her narrative of the events in
her dealings with Mr
Khorramdel should be preferred, given the
consistency in which she was able to answer the questions put to her in a
"robust manner".
· Her version of the events was summarised in her
report (Exhibit 4). Her report and her evidence demonstrated that she had acted
reasonably in the circumstances.
· Acting in her capacity as union
official she initially received contact from Mr Khorramdel some time after 20
January. Following
that contact she spoke with Ms Neville in relation to the
matter and was told that the Area Health Service were going to terminate
his
employment. Following on from that, Ms Cowdrey explained the circumstances and
the conversations that she had with Mr Khorramdel. She specifically told
him the Area would not approve any type of leave and that the decision to
terminate him was not changing. She
also informed him of the industrial advice
that she had been given. That was confirmed in cross-examination. She told him
the HSU
were going to take any legal action with regards to any dismissal of
Mr Khorramdel. The Commission also put to him whether he actually asked
for any unfair dismissal application to be made and Mr Rudd's
recollection was that he said no, he didn't.
· Ms Cowdrey was acting in
the usual way as a union official would. She received contact from a member,
she went and sought
advice. She said that he was not happy with that, but
accepted it. Further, she also told the same position to Mrs Zahraei and also
Mr
Khorramdel's sister-in-law from Melbourne.
· She said she would
contact the Area to see if they would accept his resignation so it would be
easier for him to gain employment
upon his release and also informed him that
any leave entitlements would be paid out to him.
· She did exactly that
and discharged, from her point of view, her responsibilities as a union
official.
· There was a further contact from Mr Khorramdel in
September 2009 where she reiterated what she had already said back in February
2009.
139 It was submitted that Ms Cowdrey's version of the events should be
accepted. This was a situation of a union official conducting
their duties and
responsibilities in the usual way. There was nothing unusual in Ms Cowdrey
seeking advice from the industrial section
of the HSU and, based on that advice,
telling Mr Khorramdel that they are not prepared to take any legal action
on his behalf.
140 It was submitted that with respect to whether or not Ms Cowdrey then
sought a resignation, it was quite possible, on her evidence,
that that may have
occurred. That was not unusual. A union official was saying essentially -
we're not going to run this matter
for you, you accept that advice, however, we
will try and get you resignation. And it appeared as though, on Ms Cowdrey's
evidence,
that Mr Khorramdel had accepted that.
141 It was
difficult for SSWAHS to understand exactly what particular ground Mr
Khorramdel relied upon for the delay, but it appeared that he had formed
the view that in relation to the HSU, and in particular Ms Cowdrey,
there had
been some form of representative error which had, in turn, caused his delay in
filing any unfair dismissal application.
142 Mr Rudd submitted that based on Ms Cowdrey's evidence, in no
way, shape or form could there have been any error that the HSU had caused that
could have led Mr Khorramdel to have not filed his application within the
jurisdictional time period. Ms Cowdrey's evidence, being evidence of a witness
brought
by Mr Khorramdel, did not support any basis for establishing that
there should be a sufficient reason as to why the application should be heard
out
of time.
143 Mr Rudd further submitted that the evidence of Ms
Neville was reliable. It was brief in terms of her involvement in the
circumstances which
he summarised as follows:
· Upon receiving
information that Mr Khorramdel was in gaol, she went through a process of
establishing the facts around the matter and ultimately the Chief Executive
formed a view
and the termination of employment was effected upon Mr
Khorramdel.
· Ms Neville did receive contact from Ms Cowdrey but
couldn't say absolutely whether or not she asked for a resignation, but
there
definitely was that contact. There was representation made on Mr
Khorramdel's behalf.
144 It was submitted that that there had been no conduct of Ms Neville
that in any way could have impacted on the ability of Mr Khorramdel to
lodge his application. Rather, Ms Neville's evidence went to the prospects of
success and whether or not there was an arguable
case.
145 It was
submitted that the evidence of Mr Khorramdel, with respect, should not be
relied upon. It was not credible. There were a number of occasions where Mr
Khorramdel would be evasive and rather than answering a question, would
volunteer information. It was accepted that that occurs from time to
time, but
where it was significant was that it went to demonstrate the credibility of the
witness as opposed to other witnesses.
As previously noted, the other witnesses
were clear and concise on all the main relevant parts to this matter, whereas
Mr Khorramdel, it was submitted, had difficulty in recalling specific
events and would often change his version of those events.
146 In particular it was submitted that Mr Khorramdel gave
evidence that in March 2009 he said that Ms Cowdrey had told him that they were
not going to take any legal action on his behalf
with respect to his termination
of employment. Then today when asked that question again, he said no, he didn't
say that.
147 Mr Rudd further submitted that Mr
Khorramdel was taken to paragraph 12 of his affidavit where he said in
effect that Ms Cowdrey declined to talk about the matter. It was also
put to
him that this seemed inconsistent with the version of events in his letter of 27
October where he said that he wants an unfair
dismissal case run and in his own
words - referring to Ms Cowdrey - "she declined to do so".
148 Mr
Khorramdel had submitted that he was seeking annual leave/long service
leave that he had accrued to take him to a time in April when he said
in his
letter of 10 December that he would be eligible for work release. It was put it
to Mr Khorramdel that that was a misrepresentation of the situation.
Quite clearly the letter stated that he "may" be eligible and that he was not
entitled to it.
149 It was also put to Mr Khorramdel that even if it was accepted
that he had three months annual and long service leave - and that was not in
issue - and was given that
leave, it could not cover the period of his absence.
Even if he did get work release - and there was no evidence actually led that
he
did get work release - it could not cover that period of that absence. It
certainly could not cover the period of 12 months.
150 It was also pointed out that the actual sentence was for a period of
18 months and that at the time these events were being raised
with SSWAHS, as
far as they were aware, it could well be a period of incarceration of 18 months,
because looking at the Solicitor's
letter attached to Ms Neville's affidavit,
that explained the period of absence. Mr Khorramdel had a non-parole
period of 12 months, that was not necessarily guaranteed. It was subsequently
the case that he did get the period
of parole for that extra six months. But at
the time, SSWAHS was faced with a situation where they had an employee who was
to absent
for a period potentially of 18 months with a minimum absence of 12
months.
151 It was put to Mr Khorramdel, and he did concede, that the
leave entitlements he did have could not have covered that period of time. That
stood to reason when
comparing the leave entitlements with the length of
absence.
152 It was submitted that the evidence of Mr Khorramdel
did not demonstrate any sufficient reason as to why the application should
proceed to a hearing.
153 The Commission was also referred to the other factors in s.85 (3)
(a), (b) and (c), that needed to be considered.
154 With respect to 85(3)(a), the reason for and the length of delay in
making the application, it appeared as though the reason for
the delay as
alleged by Mr Khorramdel was representative error by the HSU. It was
submitted that based on the evidence of the HSU witnesses, the Organiser, Ms
Cowdrey,
and the Sub-Branch President, Ms Neumann, that was not correct. There
had been no error on the part of the HSU.
155 It was also put to Mr Khorramdel that even if his version of
events was accepted, that there was some agreement that he would have a
resignation sought and then apply
for internal positions upon his release - he
agreed that it was his conscious decision to accept that, he made that choice.
He also
accepted that was his fault that he had not been able to file an
application within the time period. If his version of events was
accepted, it
was his choice.
156 It was submitted that the evidence of Ms Cowdrey as to events should
be preferred. But either way there did not appear to be
any reason as to why Mr
Khorramdel did not file his unfair dismissal application within the time
period.
157 It was submitted that the length of the delay was at the
upper end, if not at the highest point, and also included 31 days since
the
actual release from gaol of Mr Khorramdel. It was a substantial delay
and that ought be taken into consideration.
158 It was put to Mr Khorramdel in cross-examination, and
acknowledged, that he did have the opportunity to make an unfair dismissal
application or seek further advice
at any time. Certainly he could have made
his application upon his release but waited a further 31 days. It was submitted
that he
was told by the HSU in February and in September, based on Ms Cowdrey's
evidence, that they were not going to run an unfair dismissal
for him or rather
not take any legal action in respect to his termination, but he didn't accept
that answer. It was submitted that
that was not a reasonable basis for him to
say error on the part of the HSU. On the evidence of Ms Cowdrey there had been
no error.
They had acted in the way that an industrial organisation would in
these circumstances.
159 It was submitted that with respect to the
85(3)(b), any hardship that may be caused to the applicant or the employer if
the application
is or is not rejected, it was conceded that in most, if not all
unfair dismissal applications, there has to be an element of hardship
to an
applicant, given that the matter doesn't proceed. But there was no evidence led
by Mr Khorramdel as to his specific circumstances regarding work. He made
submissions that he has looked for work but had put on no evidence to explain
his circumstances.
160 It was submitted that with respect to s.85(3)(c),
the conduct of the employer relating to the dismissal, the conduct of the
employer in no way, shape or form had contributed to any
basis for Mr
Khorramdel not lodging his application within time. Indeed in
cross-examination of Mr Khorramdel, it was put to him that he could have
contacted SSWAHS with regards to this alleged agreement and he never did that.
There has
been nothing to suggest that SSWAHS could have contributed to any
basis for Mr Khorramdel not lodging his application within
time.
161 Mr Rudd took the Commission to the following relevant
authorities
and in particular in some detail to Syed Rizvi v South Eastern Sydney and Illawarra Area Health Service [2009] NSWIRComm 1084, a somewhat similar case involving an employee who initially sought an alternate resolution with the employer through the HSU to making a s.84 application. In that matter I traversed the following authorities, to which Mr Rudd also referred, as follows, Green and Yum! Restaurant Pty Ltd [2004] NSWIRComm 1109; Director-General of Education and Training v Bond [2009] NSWIRComm 40 and Hurrell v Queensland Cotton Corporation Limited [2003] NSWIRComm 139.
162 Mr Rudd also relied on Brisbane South Regional Health
Authority v Taylor [1996] HCA 25; (1996) 186 CLR 541 as to the burden of proof necessary in
such applications.
163 Mr Rudd submitted that Rizvi arguably paralleled the
situation with Mr Khorramdel and the reconciliation method undertaken on his
behalf by the HSU as to why
the application was late and that there was implied
representative error by the HSU. Mr Rudd submitted that on the evidence
of Ms Cowdrey that that ought not be accepted and that if Mr Khorramdel's
version of events was accepted, then based on Rizvi, the application
should not be accepted applying the reasoning in that decision.
164 It was submitted that the reasoning adopted and followed by the
Commission in Rizvi was the correct approach to take in determining
whether or not applications should be heard out of time in this context. Mr
Rudd also took the Commission to the extract in Rizvi taken from
Kent Gorrell v Uwatec, as the correct approach to take and
specifically addressed the eight numbered points referred to by Sams
DP.
165 It was also submitted, applying Hurrell, that the Mr
Khorramdel did not have an arguable case. It was submitted that he had
not just low prospects of success, but no prospects of success. The reason
being
that on the evidence the employee was away from his workplace for a minimum
period of 12 months and that was not in contention.
In those circumstances it
was hard to understand how the employer could have acted any differently than
what it had. Quite clearly
the contract has been frustrated. Mr
Khorramdel was unable to fulfil his employment obligations with SSWAHS.
Ms Neville's evidence was that SSWAHs had to react to the circumstances
which
had been thrust upon them. He was absent from the workplace for a period of 12
months and there were no leave entitlements
that could cover that period.
166 It was submitted that in those circumstances SSWAHS had quite
appropriately and reasonably terminated the employment of Mr Khorramdel,
the contract had been frustrated. The doctrine of frustration is that when it
occurs, the contract comes to an end and arguably,
if it goes to a hearing,
there may be no ability for the Commission in any event to intervene, given that
the contract is frustrated
from the day that Mr Khorramdel went to gaol,
which was 16 October 2008.
167 It was submitted that Mr
Khorramdel has not been able to meet the legislative requirements of
section 85(3). He has not been able to provide any sufficient reason for the
delay and subsections (a), (b) and (c) of 85(3) mitigated any possibility
of Mr
Khorramdel having his application heard out of time. On that basis the
application should be dismissed.
168 No order as to costs was sought.
169 Mr Khorramdel, in
reply, submitted that the turning point for him was when he got released from
gaol and Ms Cowdrey could not do it and she denied
all these things and no, she
never said it, she never did it.
170 Mr Khorramdel took the Commission to both the evidence of Ms
Cowdrey and Mr Rudd's submissions about that evidence as well as his
letter to Mr Williamson and Mr Mylen. He submitted that on the evidence Ms
Cowdrey
did not contact Ms Neville in February 2009.
171 Mr Khorramdel also submitted that in the industrial relations
advice from Mr Morgan, there was nothing about the 21 day threshold or going to
the
New South Wales Industrial Relations Commission. It did not say that say
that if Mr Khorramdel wants to take his own action, you, Ms Cowdrey are
obliged to tell him about the 21 days. Mrs Cowdery said she just told him what
Mr
Morgan told her. Her report did not mention legal action anywhere or spoke to
him about that. No inside knowledge was provided to
him that if he wanted to
take his own course of action, then there was a way and procedure he had to go.
172 Mr Khorramdel still maintained that Ms Neumann was confused
as to whether unfair dismissal is a civil or a criminal
proceedings
173 Mr Khorramdel also submitted that "in this is we
deal with the facts and the realities, we don't deal with the hypothesis if and
then, what would
be the results. We don't say, if Mr Khorramdel was given at
that point his annual leave, then it will take him to this point, then
that will
be the result and what would be the course of the action hospital would take.
We don't follow hypothesis, we look at the
facts and the reality. The facts of
the matter is from 17 October when he went into incarceration until he was
terminated, he was
employee of the hospital, he was not receiving pay. He was
employee of the hospital until terminated and at that point the Hospital
owed
him his annual leave, which they denied him to make him unavailable at work and
then terminated him because he was unavailable
at work".
174 Mr Khorramdel submitted that his arguable case was
that it was unreasonable to deny his entitlement of annual leave. If it wasn't
denied, he would
be available at work. They made a decision to deny his
entitlement and to make him unavailable.
Consideration
175 I have carefully considered the evidence
and submissions of the parties in this matter.
176 Mr Khorramdel filed his s.84 application on the 16 November 2009,
some 256 days after he was terminated. This represents a significant period in
excess of the
prescribed 21 day filing limit permitted by the Act.
177 I acknowledge however that it was filed 21 days after he was told by
Ms Cowdrey (by phone) that SSWAHS were not going to allow
him to resign and the
next business day after he received legal advice from Slater and Gordon.
178 SSWAHS seeks that the Commission not exercise its discretion to
accept Mr Khorramdel's application outside the 21 day limitation
set by s.85(1)
and that the application be dismissed.
179 S.85(3) gives the Commission a broad discretion to allow an applicant
to depart from the strict requirements of legal form, if fairness so
demands.
However in exercising its discretion the Commission must be satisfied that a
"sufficient reason" has been made out and
may accept an application out of time
"having particular regard to:
a. the reason for, and the length of the delay
in making the application, and
b. any hardship that may be caused to the
applicant all the employer is the application is or is not rejected, and
c. the conduct of the employer relating to the dismissal".
180 In Green & Yum! Restaurant Pty Ltd the Commission, as
currently constituted, cited with approval the general principles applying in
s.85(3) proceedings as originally expounded by Sams D P in Kent Gorrell v
Uwatec Pty Ltd ( unreported, IRC 1700/99, 5 July 1999) (with appropriate and
relevant cases cited under each principle) and applied in numerous decisions
since, as follows:
1 The Commission's power to accept out of time
applications is discretionary.
2 The onus rests on the applicant to convince
the Commission of a "sufficient reason" to accept an out of time
application.
3 It is inappropriate to establish a rigid definition of what
constitutes a "sufficient reason". Each case must be considered on
its own
facts and circumstances.
4 There is a definite purpose in the power of the
Commission to exercise its discretion in extending the time limit of twenty-one
days; just as there is a definite purpose in the legislature establishing time
limitations for filing.
5 There is a public interest in the prompt
institution and prosecution of litigation before the Commission.
6 The
discretion to allow out of time applications is directed towards ensuring that
justice is afforded to both parties.
7 Each of the subclauses (a), (b) and
(c) in s.85 (3) should be addressed and an explanation provided. It is only
necessary to establish a sufficient reason for the Commission's
discretion to be
exercised.
8 Ignorantia legis neminem excusat (ignorance of the law
excuses no one).
181 In Director-General of Education and Training v Bond [2009]
NSWIRComm 40, the Full Bench observed at para. 14 that, ..."The law applicable
to applications such as the present is well settled", citing
with approval
Hurrell v Queensland Cotton Corporation Limited (2003) 125 IR at [12] - [15]
as follows:
[12]... a lack of knowledge of the 21 days time limitation specified in s.85(1) of the Act may well be a relevant consideration in determining whether to accept an application out of time. A failure to consider or to give any weight to such evidence may well amount to a failure to have regard to evidence relevant to essential aspects of the exercise of discretion. The discretion to accept an application out of time involves balancing a range of considerations, including an applicant's ignorance of the relevant time limit, whether an applicant has an arguable case and the applicant's prospects of success. In Griffith Ex-Services Club Ltd v Federated liquor and Allied Employees Union of Australia (NSW Branch) on Behalf of Vian (1993) 52 IR 186, the Full Commission considered the predecessor provisions to those now contained in s 85 of the Act concerning late applications for relief from unfair dismissal (see s 246(3)-(4) of the Industrial Relations Act 1991 (NSW)) in this way:
"Those subsections, in our view, are procedural and expressly grant the Commission the discretion to allow the lodgement of applications beyond the 21 days prescribed in s 246(2). The applicant employee carries the burden of showing why the Commission should exercise its discretion to grant such an extension: Lucic v Nolan (1982) 45 ALR 411 at 416. The discretion, however, requires the formation of the view that there is a "sufficient reason". Factors going to the formation of a view of a sufficient reason are outlined in 2.564(4) (a) to (d). It is not appropriate to formulate any definition of what constitutes a "sufficient reason": see Martin v Nominal Defendant (1954) 74 WN (NSW) 121. However, the evidence of the proceedings before the Commissioner was relevant to be considered pursuant to the statutory requirements in regard to the formulation of the view."
[13] Similarly in Skelly v Prouds Jewellers Pty Ltd (1994) 53 IR 3 at 6, in the context of an application for the extension of time to appeal, the Full Commission emphasised the need to take all relevant factors into account in determining an extension of time application; see also the decision of Walton J, Vice-President, in Brady v Kennedy (t/as Sardines) (1999) 91 IR 258. In our view, the considerations discussed in those decisions are apposite to the exercise of discretion under s 85(3) of the Act. In particular, we would adopt the observations of the Vice-President in Brady, that "the ultimate exercise of discretion is governed by the requirements of justice in a particular case".
[14] To arbitrarily adopt an approach that "ignorance of the law is no excuse" when dealing with an application for an extension of time may lead to a failure to consider potentially relevant issues, such as the reasons and circumstances as to the ignorance of the relevant time limitation, personal circumstances affecting or potentially affecting an applicant's knowledge or access to professional advice and the actual soap and stands is giving rise to late lodgement, including any attempt to lodge an application. The Commission needs only to be satisfied that there is a "sufficient reason" to accept the late application, having "particular" regard to the matters identified. When viewed in that way, the maxim concerning ignorance of the law emerges as even less relevant than otherwise may be the case. The use of the maxim in applications to extend time in unfair dismissal matters has the real potential for error, as this matter highlights.
182 In this matter Mr
Khorramdel has said that he was not only ignorant of the 21 day limitation but
in what institution legal action
could be taken.
183 As I observed in Rizvi at para.67:
67. The 21 day time limit is there for a reason. To ensure that applications are dealt with expeditiously and an outcome, one way or another, determined. This is in both the interests of applicants and employers (and it should be said the public interest) and will not be lightly departed from, as has been enunciated in the decision after decision of this Commission.
68. An application should be filed promptly and then discussions and negotiations can be pursued with an employer. The industrial unions that participate in the New South Wales industrial relations system fully understand and accept that position and operate accordingly.
69. Indeed, it is clearly mandated by Part 6 that the Commission plays a significant and integral role in that process pursuant to s. 86 :
86. The Commission must endeavour, by all means it considers proper and necessary, to settle the applicant's claim by conciliation.
70. Further, an application cannot proceed to arbitration, (pursuant to s.87), unless " in the opinion of the Commission, all reasonable attempts to settle the applicant's claim by conciliation had been made but have been unsuccessful".
71. It is not unusual for unions to take up matters concerning the possible dismissal or known dismissal of their members by way of a s.130 dispute notification, prior to either a decision being made to dismiss, or the dismissal being effected. The Commission can clearly go on to arbitrate such a matter pursuant to s.137 (1) (b) and (c). However this was not the course of action that the HSU embarked upon.
184 I agree with
Mr Rudd that there are clear parallels that can be drawn between this
matter and Rizvi. Both matters concerned an applicant who contacted his
Union, the HSU, and sought assistance through their representations on his
behalf. In both matters however neither reinstatement nor re-employment with the
employer were being sought as a consequence of that
representation, either at
the time it was made, or, after termination.
185 In this matter Mr Khorramdel was initially seeking assistance with
obtaining his annual/long service leave and he first contacted
Ms Neumann of the
HSU, as did his wife.
186 However he also sought assistance from Ms Neumann, on her evidence
which I accept, with his court case (the District Court matter)
and then to help
him save his job. Ms Neumann told him that because it was a "civil" matter, that
is, a private, non-work related
matter (as in "civilian") the Union would not
get involved. Contrary to what Mr Khorramdel asserted, Ms Neumann was not
confused
about his matter in the District Court involving a criminal charge, far
from it, she merely sought to distinguish it as not being
related to work where
it would be a legitimate issue to take up by the HSU. For example if SSWAHS had
taken Mr Khorramdel to the
District (or Local) Court for an alleged fraud
committed in the workplace and in the course of his employment, then as a work
related
matter the HSU may have been in a position to offer some
assistance to him through their Solicitors or their Industrial Officers in any
disciplinary
proceedings (but clearly, even in such a scenario, they may have
declined to act on his behalf after assessing relevant circumstances).
187 However, after he had received Ms Neville's letter in late November
advising that termination was being considered (to which he
replied in early
December from Silverwater) and after Ms Neville advised him on the phone (mid to
late December) that his response
was inadequate, Mr Khorramdel then contacted Ms
Cowdrey. Again the initial issue was the leave but it was also assistance with
writing
a response to Ms Neville and visiting him in Parramatta Gaol.
188 There was some confusion between all the witnesses about just when
this contact was made, Mr Khorramdel and his wife assert this
was in
November/December (and even early November) and Ms Neville (in replying to Mr
Khorramdel's statement it seems to me) also
"adopts" early December as the point
in time. Ms Cowdrey was very clear and indeed insistent that this contact did
not happen until
after she had returned to work on 20 January 2008.
189 I also note that Mrs Zahraei contacted Ms Neumann around that period
and I am not comfortable in accepting her evidence as to
the timing of her
contacts with Ms Cowdrey as being evidence completely independent of her
husbands.
190 It is clear that at some stage Mr Khorramdel was transferred from
Silverwater to Parramatta. This seems to have been for a short
unspecified
period (no dates were in evidence). But it also seems clear, from the addresses
on the letters he sent to Ms Neville
and the correspondence on his behalf from
Mr McGrouther the Welfare Officer (at Silverwater), that he went back to
Silverwater at
some point. That was his address as noted by him on his letter of
28 January to Mr Wallace (via being faxed to Ms Neville by Mr McGrouther
from
Silverwater).
191 It was the evidence of both Ms Neville and Ms Cowdrey that both the
leave issue and possibility of an application for an internal
position on his
release was raised in the phone contact between the two. Although Ms Neville
could not recall the issue of a resignation
being raised, it must logically
follow that it was, given that the context of the conversation was that
consideration was being given
to the termination of Mr Khorramdel. This would
also support Ms Cowdrey's evidence about when this occurred as she could not
possibly
have known about the termination issue and assistance being needed with
a further response until after Mr Khorramdel had spoken to Ms Neville
mid, or more likely, late December. That is further supported by the fact that
notwithstanding
when Ms Neville spoke to him in December, he did not provide any
further response until 28 January.
192 It really does not matter (except to Mr Khorramdel in seeking to
raise doubts about the credibility of Ms Cowdrey) exactly when
the contact
occurred. I accept that Ms Neville is probably wrong, after all she is trying to
recall phone contacts only from over
12 months ago and in relation to a matter
with a former employee of her former employer.
193 What is beyond doubt is that Ms Cowdrey made representations on Mr
Khorramdel's behalf seeking both leave and a resignation, and
this was refused
by Ms Neville on behalf of the SSWAHS. That is the relevant issue for my
consideration.
194 It is also quite clear on the evidence of the HSU that they had
always indicated that they were not going to take "legal action"
and
specifically considered that an application to this Commission would be not be
successful due to the frustration of the contract
brought about by Mr
Khorramdel's incarceration. Even Mr Khorramdel acknowledges in his evidence that
Ms Cowdrey declined to discuss
the issue of legal action and effectively ignored
responding to him. Ms Neumann made it plain that she told both Mr Khorramdel and
his wife that she could not do anything to save his job as she considered it a
"civil" matter, that is, it was not work related and
not a matter for the HSU to
take up in those circumstances.
195 I also note that Mr Khorramdel said that he did know about applying
to the Industrial Relations Commission but was always told
that "public servants
have their own tribunal" (meaning obviously the Government and Related Employees
Tribunal or GREAT). If that
was indeed the case, then there is no evidence that
he made any attempt to enquire as to his ability to access such a tribunal.
196 Whilst I concede that the HSU did not provide Mr Khorramdel with any
information about the 21 day limitation it is understandable
in the
circumstances and particularly so when he was pressing for the HSU to secure a
resignation so he could (as he thought) apply
for internal positions on his
release from gaol. That was the main thrust of the assistance he sought apart
from securing his annual/long
service leave. The HSU were clearly of the view
that Mr Khorramdel did not have strong industrial case, nevertheless
representations
were made on his behalf to SSWAHS firstly about the leave and
secondly about the resignation. SSWAHS were not prepared to agree to
either
matter.
197 I do not accept that Ms Cowdrey could ever have told Mr Khorramdel
that he could apply as an internal applicant after gaining
a resignation and on
his release from gaol.
198 I reject entirely the notion that there was ever any "deal" done
between the HSU and SSWAHS. Both organisations and the persons
involved (namely
Ms Cowdrey and Ms Neville) would be very much aware (as is the Commission), that
in the NSW Health Service, as
is the case across the public service generally,
once a resignation is accepted then an employee can only apply for any
advertised
position as an external applicant and the filling of such a
vacancy must be done on merit.
199 Of course how a union views a matter concerning its member should not
determine how the Commission should approach its consideration.
Nevertheless it
is relevant in this matter as I consider that it goes to establish the absence
of any representative error on the
part of the HSU.
200 The HSU is fully aware of the provisions of the Act relating to
unfair dismissals and the 21 day limitation and has complied with
those
provision in untold numbers of applications to this Commission. It did not
consider that Mr Khorramdel had a case and were
not going to take any legal
action on his behalf. Mr Khorramdel's own evidence acknowledges that this was
their position.
201 I also quite succinctly queried of both Mr Khorramdel and Ms Cowdrey
whether a request had been made about filing an unfair dismissal
application and
was told no by both.
202 For the reasons set out above I therefore find that the delay in
filing the s.84 application was not caused by any representative
error on the
part of the HSU.
203 I have also considered the issue of hardship that might be visited
upon Mr Khorramdel per s.85(3)(b) should he not be allowed
to proceed with his
s.84 application. He has expressed concern as to his ability to get another job
because he cannot provide an
explanation for the gap in his employment history
from October 2008 to October 2009. In Uwatec Sams D P made the following
relevant observations at p. 13 in relation to the hardship visited on an
applicant if a claim were not
allowed:
There is no doubt that every dismissal of employment brings with it some degree of hardship, either personal, emotional or financial. The applicant is not "Robinson Crusoe" in this respect. In my view, s.85 (3) (b) is particularly directed towards any additional or excessive hardship occasioned upon the applicant should the application be rejected. Such hardship should be viewed in the context of the overwhelming majority of applicants, who, while experiencing various varying degrees of hardship, nevertheless, are able to file within time.
204 Mr Khorramdel's difficulty with getting
another job does not arise from the mere fact that he was terminated, as is
sometimes
the case in other matters that come to this Commission depending on
the nature of the position held and the reason for termination.
Here the
difficulty Mr Khorramdel has is in explaining the period he spent in gaol. That
has nothing to do with SSWAHS. Whilst I
sympathise with Mr Khorramdel in that
regard I do not consider that to be a hardship that can be related to the
decision by SSWAHS
to terminate so as to constitute a "sufficient reason" for
the Commission to exercise its discretion and accept his application
out of
time.
205 It should also be kept in mind that Mr Khorramdel's incarceration was
an effective frustration of the employment contract (see
below).
206 As far as s.85(3)(c), conduct of the employer relating to the
dismissal, is concerned, Mr Khorramdel maintains that the failure
of SSWAHS to
grant him his leave entitlements meant that he was unavailable for work when
eligibility for work release arose thus
making him unavailable to work for
SSWAHS and resulting in SSWAHS terminating him for this reason. This somewhat
circuitous argument
has no merit.
207 I also note that on the evidence, he was seeking that leave as far
back as July 2008 when he first put the forms in his Director's
pigeon hole at
work. That was at a stage when he did not know how long his gaol sentence (which
appeared likely) would be. Once he
was sentenced and in gaol he continued to
seek his leave with the stated purpose of ensuring that his wife was provided
for financially
to the extent possible.
208 Certainly it would perhaps have been preferable had SSWAHS
specifically told him in writing that leave would not be approved in
the
circumstances, (which were quite understandable in my view). Although I do
accept that his incarceration and inability to come
to work to carry out his job
overtook any consideration of the request for any leave.
209 However Ms Neville did say she spoke to Mr Khorramdel's wife and told
her he would not be granted leave without pay for the period
of this
incarceration. It should have been abundantly clear from this, together with the
absolute silence from SSWAHS about leave,
that this was a clear indication that
being able to access such leave was just was not on the cards. In any event
there was no obligation
on SSWAHS to grant the leave, it was not an absolute
unfettered entitlement that Mr Khorramdel could demand to be taken. He was paid
the leave on termination. He was entitled to that.
210 There was no evidence as to whether Mr Khorramdel did become eligible
for and or undertook work release on or after 16 April 2009,
nor indeed whether
SSWAHS had any policy about employing persons or continuing to employ persons
whilst on work release from gaol.
211 There were no performance or conduct issues raised either prior to,
or since the 7 February 2009, that could raise issues of concern
as to
procedural unfairness. Indeed, on the evidence, SSWAHS extended the time for him
to respond to the letter advising him of an
intention to terminate on three
occasions. SSWAHS made sure he had received a copy of the letter, (which
initially went to his Solicitors)
and made sure it went to the Parramatta
Correctional Facility when he was transferred there from Silverwater. The
decision to terminate,
on the evidence before the Commission, was based solely
on Mr Khorramdel's inability to carry out his job due to his incarceration.
SSWAHS also made it clear to the HSU that it would not grant his leave nor allow
a resignation.
212 Therefore for the reasons outlined above I find that there was no
conduct on the part of the employer that contributed to the
delay in filing the
s.84 application.
213 Mr Khorramdel made no representations himself to SSWAHS after he was
terminated and did not contact the HSU after early March
2009, until September
2009 some six weeks before he was due to be released. He was clearly proceeding
on the basis of a resignation
only.
214 I should also observe that it is possible to make applications to the
Industrial Relations Commission from goal or when a person
is on work release.
To my knowledge that has happened in the past. Just as prisoners are able to
make applications to the courts
in relation to their sentences. If he was in any
doubt then he could have made an application on his release. Any delay in filing
must therefore be attributed to Mr Khorramdel's conscious and deliberate
decision to pursue the process of securing a resignation
through the HSU rather
than filing a s.84 application. Mr Khorramdel acknowledged that he was
responsible for the delay but sought
essentially to justify the reasons for the
delay.
215 A further matter that is relevant to the Commission's consideration
of "sufficient reason" is whether Mr Khorramdel has an arguable
case and his
prospects of success.
216 It is clear on the evidence that he has a considerable hurdle to
overcome in establishing that his dismissal was harsh, unjust
or unreasonable.
He was not terminated because of any issue arising in connection with his work
or work performance but because he
could not perform his work due to his
incarceration. Indeed, on the day he was sent to gaol and commenced his
sentence, it could be said that that caused an
immediate frustration of the
employment contract. See Hare v Murphy Brothers Limited [1973] 3 All E.R.
940, Hilton Hotels of Australia Limited v Pasovska [2003] NSWIRComm 17.
217 However SSWAHS management did not take action to immediately
terminate Mr Khorramdel on discovering that he was in gaol but acted
in
accordance with its policies and the relevant Awards in following a procedure
which formally advised Mr Khorramdel that termination
was being considered; the
basis for that consideration; he was given an opportunity to respond, and that
response was taken into
consideration before a decision to terminate was made
and effected. That also goes to establish that procedural fairness was afforded
to Mr Khorramdel.
218 Having carefully considered the evidence and submissions of the
parties, I consider that Mr Khorramdel's prospects of success
are extremely
limited if not impossible.
219 I have also considered the cases
cited by Mr Khorramdel which indicated that extensions of time have been granted
by this Commission. However
those cases were each determined on the evidence
and submissions made by the parties. I have also determined this matter based on
the evidence and the submissions made by the parties in arriving at the
conclusion set out below.
Conclusion
220 I find, on the
evidence, that Mr Khorramdel has not discharged the onus of establishing a
"sufficient reason" for failing to lodge
his claim of alleged unfair dismissal
within the prescribed time period in the Act. In arriving at that conclusion I
have carefully
had regard for those matters set out in s.85(3)(a)(b) and (c) as
detailed above.
221 It follows that the Commission declines to exercise
its discretion, pursuant to s.85(3) of the Act such as to permit the application
to be accepted for determination.
222 The application is therefore
dismissed and these proceedings are concluded accordingly.
Elizabeth Bishop
Commissioner
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19 April 2010
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